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This page awaits comments. --Farred 23:27, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Farred, you ask about snail mail address for Lunarpedia.

Lunarpedia is an asset of the Moon Society, and this is the address:

The Moon Society P.O. Box 940825 Plano, TX 75094-0825 Charles F. Radley 16:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Mass Drivers

I recommend that you drop the font tags at the beginning as they are messing with the formatting, then provide a general summary of mass drivers before the circum polar section. Also, providing outside sources so that you're data can be verified is very important for article credibility. Without links to sources or the inclusion of specific and tested data, it will be assumed that your article is mostly conjecture. Jarogers2001 06:10, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Do you have a messenger program? I'm running yahoo, aim, icq, and I can load msn when needed. Jarogers2001 15:59, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't mean to offend. Are you alright? - Jarogers2001 03:36, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Revealing your identity is unnecessary for posting graphics. Simply refer to yourself as "author" in the description of the graphic. "I, the auther, do hereby release this graphic ("to the public domain", "under the terms of the GNUFDL license", or "with my permission for use by Lunarpedia and as author I retain all rights to this work")"
Take your pick. GNUFDL is the "General Non-profit Use Free Documentation License" and means it can be replicated, modified, and used anywhere so long as it is not for profit. You can also obtain an anonymous email at,, or - Jarogers2001 18:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


Well done! I don't know what the response to the "Do People Care?" question is, but you've got the material for a glad-hander right there in your final argument and referenced addendum to final argument, combined with some of the earlier stuff. So long as you mention it as a way to exponentially increase capabilities on the ISS or Lunar Outpost by reducing the amount of people and life support needed on site, you shouldn't have any problems. Full robotic missions will come once the technology is far enough developed that humans become unnecessary for early stage facilities. Just be slick about it and don't tell them that unless it's what they want to hear ;-) - Jarogers2001 04:05, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Metal Printing

The topic of printing metal parts has come up on another forum and I was wondering if you could take a look and give me your opinion on the "wire printer" concept, seeing as you're the metallurgy guru around these parts :D You can find the idea by following this link. Reply on lunarpedia if that makes you more comfortable. - Jarogers2001 20:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice and links. I had a pretty good feeling that it wasn't going to be that easy (only because I have some welding experience). The overall goals of the group are unrealistic, to be quite honest. - Jarogers2001 05:08, 24 August 2008 (UTC)


You may have been hacked. please change your password - Jarogers2001 22:28, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


Aluminium is the international nomenclature and the one that figures and is used by IUPAC. And the approved one.

I checked in the IUPAC because I was not sure about Aluminum or Aluminium. I really do not care which one American's are using but since Aluminium is the one that figures in the IUPAC I would defend Aluminium over Aluminum.

Also I would defend Metric system. And Celsius over Fahrenheit.

English is for me a tool. I am still learning. I didn't meant to offend you or something. Sorry about EEUU, I'm not very good in writing. I do not feel underestimated.

I do not think England has to do anything with this. I have English and American friends and I do not prefer one over another. Neither their language. --Jotagiraldez 19:25, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


I really do not know what to do. You are convincing. Lets wait to see what happens... Perhaps the users are going to change everything to aluminum... The community will decide.

The above comment was posted by Jotagiraldez at 02:46 hours UTC on the 10th of November 2010. --Farred 23:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

CAPTCHA posture change

Despite not being in very good shape right now I've managed to alter the CAPTCHA settings to hopefully stop the script that's damaging articles here without breaking the wiki. It seems to only impact anonymous attacks. As always, many thanks for your continued dedication to Lunarpedia! -- Strangelv 05:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Sad to hear that you are not in good shape. Take care of yourself before Lunarpedia. Thanks for any help you feel up to. Farred 05:25, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Fix category:Initial Investment

The category was added by User:Fructivore

Farred 11:06, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Write [[Carbon monoxide]]

Farred 17:35, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Possible new article

Consider writing an article to go along with Talk:Why should we build lunar settlement on the moon which a contributor added without the corresponding article.

Note Cfrjlr's comments

He writes it in Volatiles.

To do

Add halo orbit option to Farside Communication.

MergeX-Prize and X-Prize Lunar Lander Challenge.

Add to [[Reflecting Telescopes]].

Reason to delete

user page for a non-contributor who expresses no interest in colonizing moon

Attacker Control Counteroffer

On one occasion we had it set up so that one needed to fill out a form explaining who they are. This was a disaster becaues no one with adbin powers checked for about a month and none of the very legitimate applicants ever contributed after we finally authorized them. Account creating attacks are the ones that I'm very concerned about, ansd it seems to be getting worse across the board, although we still have a ways to go to reach the nightmare at LPedia that I also want this solution for, at least for the time being.

We don't need to exclued non-members -- just everyone who can't make a coherent and relevant statement about why they should have an account. Would you be willing to pick up the ball on this if one of us can figure out how to re-enable it?

Please feel free to drop by ASI MOO and yell at us sometime. Right now we're trying to get new website for the society up by the third Wednesday of April.

-- Strangelv 07:59, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

Moon Society Spotlight

If you look at test dot with most reasonably CSS3 compatible web browsers (MSIE 9 and Opera below 12.10 being the main exceptions) you should be able to see the Spotlight column if your browser window is wide enough -- if it isn't or you're looking with something older you'll notice a row of buttons at the bottom for the spotlight.

The Spotlight is a feature of the Coriolis web theme I've spent all year working on to the exclusion of pretty much everything else. The intent is to feature things of possible interest to visitors and hopefully impress them. Three categories: technical, easy, and miscellaneous -- one button from each category is shown each time, in random order. Problem: we only have three technical, two easy, and two miscellaneous. Two of the technical items are Lunarpedia articles, one is the Power Beaming Demo kit, easy is MMM #1 and the society president's blog, and the two miscellaneous are Lunarpedia and Exodictionary. What would be some good additions that you can think of? Each item needs a title, possibly a brief description, a link, and -- very importantly -- a graphic. We have several articles that would be excellent additions to the technical category but have no graphics. Obviously adding a graphic would help...

Any good ideas? This is one of two things that may prevent us from getting this deployed in time for ISDC. The other is even further behind: migrating site content over... Thank you in advance for any suggestions!

-- Strangelv 00:09, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

I see "Earth is the cradle of..." then something is missing.
That's Ken's site, and I've not checked to see how compatible it is with MSIE 8 (someone eles's problem). I hope the test site works well with MSIE 8 as I have ten different themes, one of which is exclusively for MSIE 7 and 8. You'll still get a better experience with a CSS3 compatible browser, or maybe you'd be joining the chorus that's finding nits with my new buttons that I've been unable to address so far...
I must admit that I'm not asking for help with the HTML (I believe I have that covered and I accept that I'm the one best able to hack at the markup and stylesheets and graphics), I'm just whating to know what articles you've seen (and possibyl written) in the wikis that would be good to feature in the spotright that either have a graphic or that you might be able to find a suitable one for. Obviously, Mars-centric articles probably need to be kept to a minimum lest we confuse visitors to
-- Strangelv 18:11, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear Farred,

I though you might like an update on the science fiction project as there as been little action on your web site in some time.

New data from the LRO mission forced the complete redesign of the settlement that is the setting for most of the stories (the radiation shielding was inadequate). This work teamed with the opening up of e-publication pointed in a new direction. I am most happy to tell you that we now have an e-book out with five short stories specifically designed to build buy-in for space exploration among young adults.

More details can be found at:

   "Hard Squared Science Fiction, Vol. 01", "The Dark of the Moon"

We are planning for a cooperative writing project in the Fall to create Vol. 02.

Please let me know if you would like a more detailed discussion on your Wiki.

Thanks, Tom Riley --Jriley 12:57, 18 August 2013 (UTC)


When I look at the Recent Changes in Marspedia with all the bot activities, I am getting the impression of a dying Marspedia. Why does nobody update the captcha functionality? Is it a matter of manpower? Is it a matter of money for a larger server space? Do you know something about the reasons? Oh, Happy New Year for you and your family and friends.-- Rfc 19:07, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

The problem with updating the captcha is mainly that there is no update available that stops the spam bots but lets human contributors through. Secondarily, the discouraging situation makes it less likely that anyone will think it worth while to spend their time fighting spam. A large dedicated group of spam fighters would be necessary as is available on Wikipedia but not on small wikis like Marspedia. For myself, my situation has changed from what it was a few months ago. I cannot spend much volunteer time on the internet. I do a few little edits to Lunarpedia now and then. That is about my limit. There very well might not be sufficient time and effort available to save Marspedia. I see it has 82 uncategorized pages now, mostly spam.
Possibly Marspedia could be changed in format, but I think it does not have much future as an open wiki.
There is nothing I can do. Sorry. - Farred 19:01, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Wish I'd seen this earlier. It's also a matter of getting the attention of people with access and them getting the needed time. 82 is nothing. 82 an hour that get past WHUMP is starting to be a problem. WHUMP not being able to run is a problem. Right now the upgrade to the wikis has fallen behind and I apologize. MediaWiki changed their theme handling and we need to replace all of our themes. Also, I need to upgrade WHUMP and it's harder to edit after not thinking about it for awhile than expected. -- Strangelv 17:01, 20 March 2015 (GMT)

Conceptual Diagram Check


File:Eddy current concept.png]]

Is this an accurate summary of the essential nature of Eddy Current Brake to Orbit? I'm trying to quickly create imagery for some of our longer and more detailed articles as part of a minor upgrade to the Moon Society website. I need to finish upgrading the wikis and get a new CAPTCHA in place. I wonder if there are people we could pay to upgrade the wikis for us from time to time at a reasonable price... -- Strangelv 17:01, 20 March 2015 (GMT)

The illustration of the concept of the eddy current braking device is better than anything I have. I will try to write a suitable caption. I am sorry I did not get back to you sooner. I have had computer problems and am borrowing the computers of generous people to keep track of e-mail and such. I plan that today I will get my usual computer back to the people who almost fixed it so they can do better next time around. - 15:40, 24 March 2015 (GMT)

2015 April Cleanup

Any chance of holding off on manual cleanup for another day or two? I'm still trying to see what I can do through automation. -- Strangelv 13:58, 10 April 2015 (BST)

OK - Farred 14:01, 10 April 2015 (BST)
Although I've probably learned as much as I need to about the articles in and there's not a lot of them left. Feel free to take those out if you want to. The user pages are a little more challenging and have more room to get a good return for a couple of hours of work. Email if you want a better explanation; don't want any attackers reading this and tweaking their attacks accordingly. -- Strangelv 14:09, 10 April 2015 (BST)
Update: the main namespace has been cleaned up and I've gotten as much cleared out of the user namespace as I'm going to with automation. I'm currently going through the user talk namespace manually. While I'm on a roll I probably need to start cleaning up the other wikis. -- Strangelv 01:41, 11 April 2015 (BST)
Update: I believe the cleanup is finally pretty much done. Sorry about leaving the barn door open the other day. On the plus side the long delayed WHUMP upgrade is now closer to being usable. -- Strangelv 09:24, 11 April 2015 (BST)

I'm glad you have a handle on things, James. Good show. - Farred 22:14, 11 April 2015 (BST)

The trick is to fight automation with more automation I believe. 8) I've just finished cleaning up Marspedia. Attempting to move on to Exodictionary. I can't agree with the good show argument, though. Too much of this has been around for far too long (more than a year) which has probably harmed our pagerank greatly. I needed to get the experimental fork of WHUMP into serviceable shape years ago, and even now it's still not up to the task of patrolling recent edits (hopefully that's not going to be a significant change). I've resorted to disabling Scientifiction until I'm ready to clean it up. -- Strangelv 17:41, 14 April 2015 (BST)
Exodictionary cleanup finally complete. That was more work than expected. I may or may not start on the Scientifiction cleanup. I've never run WHUMP on it as it's a rather different case than the other wikis I run it on -- email me if you'd like clarification. Thinking is required. At the moment I have Scientifiction shut down to limit the damage, something I should have resorted to earlier. I'll need a cleanup plan before I let it run again. -- Strangelv 19:18, 22 April 2015 (BST)

Contact James Burk

Hi Farred, can you please contact me: ? I have a question about Marspedia. --Jburk (talk) 18:06, 13 October 2017 (BST)

Potential text for ((Talk:New moon base concepts))

Thirtieth, do you have rocks in your head? The People's Republic of China is an enemy. You admit military applications (third objection) but suggest treaties with China governing the development of the moon. We need to keep potential military applications out of China's hands.

If the USA could arrange the physical characteristics of the solar system and the political situation of Earth by political decree, it could develop the industrial potential of the moon without involving other nations that look at things different than the US congress. Since we must involve other nations, lets look at who our enemies are and what sorts of arrangements could possibly be beneficial. Who put the many trillion dollar debt on the USA? It was the US government acting under the influence of lobbyists for various organizations such as medical organizations, defense contractors, teachers' organizations, and retired persons. The list of lobbyists trying to get a piece of the federal budget is too long for this discussion but people who allow such lobbyists to control federal spending with no concern for the federal debt are the enemies of the USA. That is: US citizens are their own worst enemies. The potential financial catastrophe could be worse than anything that China is planning for the US. Exact outcomes cannot be predicted but the potential for something worse than the great depression is a reason for some of the preparations for bugging out that are seen in people preparing access to non urban property, learning gardening, storing essentials, and having a bug out vehicle to get to their destination by driving around traffic jams off road. The People's Republic of China is a problem because of their absolute insistence upon putting Taiwan under communist party control regardless of political and economic costs. It is their unifying purpose. If anyone does not agree with that they are not only kept out of political power, they risk prison. It is a case of self reinforcement of an extreme position. However, China does bow to reality to the extent that they will put off their goal until they are confidant that they can succeed. Considering the shore of Taiwan as approximately a natural fortress protected by advanced anti-ship missiles with the USA guaranteeing access to trade, the People's Republic might need wait a long time. Satellite observations can pin-point naval targets like ship a born invasion force and what anti ship missiles cannot knock out, submarine launched weapons can. I cannot list all of the reasons that an invasion of Taiwan from the People's Republic is not realistic without cooperation from Taiwan or the USA failing to defend Taiwan from blockade. It is just best for China to put unification under the communist party on the back burner and agree to disallow by international agreement any orbital or lunar weapons with the potential to do significant military harm to targets on Earth. If China were to succeed in putting Taiwan under rule from the continent, it would face more difficult factional problems internally that could bring it to an end.
It is possible for such international law to be effective if nations are willing to agree to such terms with verifiability. There is plenty of wealth for everybody if we can agree upon reasonable ways of sharing it and the US federal government stops its deficit financing. The obstacles to a millennium of prosperity for humanity are economic and political. The technical problems can be handled with a reasonable international effort.