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[[Category:Lunarpedia]]</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Mdelaney&diff=114907User talk:Mdelaney2018-02-04T20:15:35Z<p>Mdelaney: </p>
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<div>==Links==<br />
All of the links are now in bold, and we can no longer see our watched pages on the recent changes page. Is there a way to get around this for pages and articles, but leave it as is for the top and side bars? -- [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 20:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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There is, but it'll take me a while to dig through the CSS and find it. I never thought of that since I don't use Watched Pages. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 21:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, I've rolled back to a previous version of the css on Lunarpedia, that should work, now I just have to do the same in all the other wikis. Shouldn't take too long to do them, it's a small change. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks Mike. I didn't stop and make any templates because i needed to do some work in the garden while a little rascal was still asleep. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Whoa, things just got a whole lot esaier.<br />
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== Paper Rocket-sled ==<br />
Thanks for the invitation to expand the paper rocket-sled to lunar orbit article. I checked the max electric power use and at 850 meters per second and 50 meters per second squared acceleration an electric tractor would have to be delivering 51 MegaWatts to a 1.2 metric ton one man space ship. That does not count the inefficiencies or the power used to accelerate the tractor itself. The specifications can perhaps be made less arbitrary. Capping electric power at 10 MegaWatts overall might be more reasonable. The target velocity can be lowered to 1700 m/s and the electric portion to 300 m/s to keep overall length down. I envision shutting down the electric cargo launcher for a half a minute or so whenever there is a passenger launch to divert power. You could write up whatever version of a paper rocket-sled to orbit that seems good to you. Perhaps we can find some way to integrate this idea into a reasonable overall operation. I will keep working on stuff and welcome any help that comes along.--[[User:Farred|Farred]] 01:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't recall inviting anybody to do anything, must have been one of the others :-)<br /> 51MW is a lot of power to deliver, but probably not all that unreasonable given the fairly short duration it would need to be delivered. The trains on the Eurostar service draw about 12MW at startup, dropping considerably once they're moving.<br />-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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In editing “Lunar Rocket-sled to Orbit” you added the transportation stub template which includes an invitation to all potential Lunarpedia editors (including me) to expand the article. Thanks for the tip.--[[User:Farred|Farred]] 01:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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Check that off the list of thngis I was confused about.<br />
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== non Mars related advertising on Marspedia site ==<br />
HelloMdelaney, New User:4400 has put a link to Puma shoes on his user page. I do not think this is the sort of contribution Marspedia seeks. I do not know if the corporation has anything to do with this. I could start with a comment on User:4400's talk page, but editing User:4400's user page may be necessary. I thought I would seek your input.[[User:Farred|Farred]] 01:24, 4 July 2010 (UTC)Jarogers took care of it. [[User:Farred|Farred]] 15:09, 5 July 2010 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Home&diff=25715Talk:Home2014-10-09T19:57:21Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Display problems with latest versions of Chrome and Firefox */</p>
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<div>==Ideas for increasing Lunarpedia Contributors==<br />
*Ads in Moon Society publications?<br />
*Ads in NSS Publications such as Ad-Astra Magazine?<br />
*Ads in international space and astronomical society publications and other moon related projects?<br />
*Giving Aerospace/NewSpace companies the opportunity to write articles about themselves? (currently underway)<br />
*An article on Lunarpedia in Wikipedia?<br />
*Interview with SPACE.com?<br />
*A more eyecatching logo/banner on moon society websites?<br />
*Better placement of the logo/banner on moon society websites?<br />
*Other allowed Languages<br />
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Ideas Welcome!<br />
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: Note: Wikipedia does not allow adverstising, promos for Lunarpedia on Wikipedia will probably be "speedily deleted".[[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)<br />
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The logo on the Moon soc web site needs to be rotated so the text is horizontal.<br />
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A GIF banner concept I came up with. Same dimensions as lunarpedia logo.<br />
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I like the bottom one, but I think you need to move the earth so it would show as a disc and perhaps a stylized crater or two on the moon would help. The basic idea is you have to be able to recognize it as a lithograph or silhouette. --[[User:Mdelaney|MikeD]] 09:26, 12 March 2007 (GMT)<br />
:I downloaded a program that was recommended to me to try and make this image and found out it crashed my system. I may be able to fall back on a picture with no animation but ill need to be pointed in the direction of an archive of high resolution moon pictures. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 06:47, 12 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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==Promotion==<br />
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I've just submitted Lunarpedia and Marspedia to the DMOZ ODP.<br />
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I recommend that you also submit them in order to increase traffic and speed up the process of our links being approved. ODP also populates these to other search engines. - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 10:26, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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==Artemis Databook==<br />
Is it possible to integrate articles from the Artemis Databook (ex: [http://www.asi.org/adb/05/04/modular-architecture.html http://www.asi.org/adb/05/04/modular-architecture.html]) in to lunarpedia without licensing issues?<BR/><BR/>[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 12:44, 10 January 2007 (PST)<br />
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:No, but we need to reference it more often. Permission te release content to the public domain (merely licencing it won't work) would need to be done on an author by author basis as that's where the copyrights reside. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 18:48, 10 January 2007 (PST)<br />
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The list of categories on the Special Page for Categories [[Special:Categories]] is different (much longer) than the list of Categories of interest on the Main Page [[Main_Page]]. It will be a pain to keep them in sync. I suggest we remove the list of categories from the main page, and put in a link to the Special Page instead. [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 05:40, 26 January 2007 (PST)<br />
:Maybe. I don't see it as a long term solution to use maintainer tools for casual users, however. What if we created a small number of supercategories and made sure that all content articles (pure disposable list articles and other overhead need not apply) were placed in at least one of them? Part of my concern about the maintenance tools is that in presents the user with a lot of stuff that is not of direct interest to them coequal or above (by virtue of alphabetization) articles of far greater relevance to someone seeking actual content. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 06:47, 26 January 2007 (PST)<br />
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Is there an automated way of generating a list of only all categories which have content, and hiding the stub categories? [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 06:57, 26 January 2007 (PST)<br />
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== Advertising is OK ==<br />
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This needs to be reworded, the word "advertising" is what I have an issue with. The general sense of the paragraph doesn't worry me, just that word. -- [[User:Mdelaney|MikeD]] 09:18, 12 March 2007 (GMT)<br />
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:Promotion? -- [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 06:38, 12 March 2007 (PDT)<br />
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== Sidebar ==<br />
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I'd like to know what I can remove from the sidebar without causing undue hardship, it's currently a complete and utter shambles.<br />
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Items I think can be removed are:<br><br />
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*Category List A-Z<br><br />
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Everything<br />
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We could move the Maintenance links to a Maintenance page.<br />
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-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 14:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:At a minimum, we may want to have the regolith box and a link to regularly needed maintenance functions, possibly added to the navigation menu. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 17:41, 15 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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: The maintenance links could be pushed into the Community portal. [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 21:03, 15 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::I don't favor leaving the maintenance links in the sidebar at all, they're visible to guest users and present a cluttered appearance. If this was Joomla I'd make them visible to sysops only, but it's not. I'm not sure if we can easily implement group permissions in the sidebar. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 22:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Most of them aren't sysop specific, but things any serious contributor could stand to have easily accessible, especially ones inclined to help with the tedious tasks we've mostly been neglecting. As far as the Community Portal goes, we never really used it -- we might move all of its contents elsewhere and delete it or replace it with a redirect. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 01:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ok, here's a suggestion, how about we thin the sidebar out a bit, and rename some of the links so users have some inkling what they're about.<br />
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::::For example, "List of lists of needed articles" never made sense to me, Peter's Outline probably belongs further up in the Navigation menu. Are there other words we can use in place of Uncategorized or Undescribed? -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Feel free to think of a better name for the List of Lists, but we've gotten far more mileage out of that than Peter's outline. It would be nice for it to be no more than two easily reached clicks away, along with a lot of other things in that menu, most of which are already inconveniently accessible from the special pages menu (so if they,'re going to end up less convenient than they are from there, their continued grouping becomes less optimal -- and if the special pages menu becomes trivially reachable again, the main problem will again be finding them in the alphabetized list -- okay, maybe more clicks is still worth it for some of them) -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Did you just argue against yourself and win? -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 21:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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I've added the banner section to the lower left side bar. I will be talking with Eric Douglas of the [http://amlunsoc.org American Lunar Society] to see if he wants a banner there since he put our link on the amlunsoc.org frontpage. I will attempt to pursue other link exchanges with groups such as FOGE and LPOD. Still gotta bug marsdrive to tie up a banner loose end on marspedia. - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 15:47, 4 August 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== Which way to the Moon? ==<br />
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Hello,<br />
I'm a volunteer of the registered Google Lunar X PRIZE contestant Team FREDNET, an open source project to land a rover on the Moon. Development of our lunar mission requires a good deal of research, and I was wondering if you Lunarpedians might be interested in lending us a hand, given our similar spirits of openness and common interest in lunar missions? If you're interested, I could add requests for information from our team somewhere here, so you could contribute any knowledge you may have or are able to find on the subject, and then let us apply it to our mission? The kind of knowledge we're in need of should also have general applicability to Lunarpedia. --[[User:Anders Feder|Anders Feder]] 02:35, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:I've brought this to the attention of the other Lunarpedia bigwigs, so we'll let it stew among our Evil Overlords and let you know. Meanwhile, I've added you to my [http://thatnextbigthing.blogspot.com/ blogroll]. - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:24, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Great, thanks :) --[[User:Anders Feder|Anders Feder]] 23:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::By the way, sorry about the delay. Christmas kills me. - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 10:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:::Had a chat with the admins and they also like the idea. We would like to receive some kind of courtesy attribution (links) for the open content we provide. Also, as an open reference we would like this to be non-exclusive so that other groups could request info under similar agreements. Articles can be requested [[Talk:Team_FREDNET|HERE]] on the Team FREDNET discussion page (brand new, since I just made the article). Also, you can edit the FREDNET article to fill in info about the team if you like. We look forward to working with you! - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 22:50, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
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'''Gentlemen, what do you think about Anders' proposal?''' I like the idea! - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 10:29, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:Apologies for my own delay in responding. I believe this is precisely the sort of the Lunarpedia and the Moon Society are for. How should we handle the page for information requests to be added? Perhaps simply with bulleted points and <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> signatures? We also need a FREDNET article. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 15:58, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
::It might be prudent to do this as a subpage of either MAIN or FREDNET. - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 16:01, 26 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: Hello again everyone - sounds great. I'm at my parent's place at the moment, so I am a little restricted computer-wise. I'll add the first few requests to the Team FREDNET talk page as soon as I get back home. Also, if you can think of other ways we may be able to cooperate, please don't hesitate to suggest them. --[[User:Anders Feder|Anders Feder]] 07:34, 30 December 2008 (UTC)<br />
:: I've added the first few requests for assistance to our [[Talk:Team_FREDNET|talk page]]. Hope you can help us out. Cheers. --[[User:Anders Feder|Anders Feder]] 14:30, 3 January 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I use Internet Explorer. I don't know the version number. The logo is not appearing for me, on any page. - [[User:Farred|Farred]] 18:31, 9 October 2014 (BST)<br />
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Fixed, for now! Dreamhost upgraded some stuff and didn't copy over the files. [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 20:57, 9 October 2014 (BST)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Buy-In_Explained&diff=16094Talk:Buy-In Explained2011-04-18T17:02:30Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Howdy Everyone */</p>
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| Silver || align=right | 15.87 nΩ·m || align=right | 10.490 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Unknown || align=center | Unknown || align=center | Unknown<br />
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| Copper || align=right | 16.78 nΩ·m || align=right | 8.960 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Unknown || align=center | Unknown || align=center | Unknown<br />
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| Gold || align=right | 22.14 nΩ·m || align=right | 19.300 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Unknown || align=center | Unknown || align=center | Unknown<br />
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| Aluminum || align=right | 26.50 nΩ·m || align=right | 2.700 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 133,000 || align=right | 69,700<br />
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| Magnesium || align=right | 43.90 nΩ·m || align=right | 1.738 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 45,500 || align=right | 57,600<br />
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| Sodium || align=right | 47.70 nΩ·m || align=right | 0.968 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 3,100 || align=right | 2,900<br />
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| Potassium || align=right | needs ref ~70.00 nΩ·m || align=right | 0.890 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 800 || align=right | 1,100<br />
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| Iron || align=right | 96.10 nΩ·m || align=right | 7.150 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 48,700 || align=right | 132,000<br />
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| Chromium || align=right | 125.00 nΩ·m || align=right | 7.860 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 850 || align=right | 2,600<br />
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| Titanium || align=right | 420.00 nΩ·m || align=right | 4.506 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 3,100 || align=right | 31,000<br />
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| Manganese || align=right | 1440.00 nΩ·m || align=right | 7.210 g·cm<sup>−3</sup> || align=center | Yes || align=right | 675 || align=right | 1,700<br />
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== Thinking Moon ==<br />
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The Sodium entry is a good example of thinking Moon. That is, looking at ideas that are insignificant when used on Earth but could really save the day when used on the Moon. It does take a rather long scenario to show how Sodium could be used, but this is part of the process needed to compare complicated technical ideas.<br />
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:I can't see sodium being much use as a conductor inside a habitat due to it's potential for interaction with condensation. Neither can I see much use for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NaK NaK] in a hab, though that might have uses outdoors.<br />
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Having looked around I'm only seeing Sodium in the 3k ppm range or listed in compounds that have % occurrences of ~0.5%. Could you cite your sources supporting said abundance of Sodium?<br />
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It appears the table has been corrected. Likely lunar sodium is mostly compounds rather than free metal. Since sodium compounds are soluable in water, it is easily separated from even a high percentage of insoluable material. The water is easily recovered for reuse. Neil <br />
*It seems that part of the edit by user 69.117.44.141 on the 15th of March was not an improvement. Perhaps someone might say that it takes much energy to melt aluminum, but the big energy requirement in using lunar aluminum is smelting. There is no significant reduced aluminum native to Luna. On Earth aluminum occurs as sulfates, silicates, and oxides in various mixed mineral species with other metals. Whatever the ore from which aluminum will be recovered on Luna, it will require considerable energy to reduce the metal. Smelting will be the major concern with Aluminum. Iron on the other hand occurs in reduced form. Using iron requires separating and melting the reduced iron particles. The conduction properties of iron could be significant if it is used as rails and a small amount of current is conducted along the path of the rails. --[[User:Farred|Farred]] 23:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunar_Settlement&diff=16086Lunar Settlement2011-04-04T21:50:22Z<p>Mdelaney: Reverted edits by 80.6.253.249 (Talk) to last revision by Farred</p>
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<div>A moon colony, or lunar settlement, is a proposed establishment of human settlements in or on the Moon's surface. Habitation of lunar land could potentially benefit Earth. Some examples include providing by [[Mass Drivers|mass driver]] the materials for space-based solar power on Earth, [[Orbital Ring|solving overpopulation]], providing Helium-3 for fusion power and providing the materials to build in space large colonizing vessels to make cyclically repeating voyages to Mars. <br />
== Advantages == <br />
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Placing a colony on a natural body would provide an ample source of material for construction and other uses, including shielding from radiation. The energy required to send objects from the Moon to space is much less than from Earth to space. This could allow the Moon to serve as a construction site or fueling station for spacecraft. Some proposals include using electric acceleration devices (mass drivers) to propel objects off the Moon without building rockets. Others have proposed momentum exchange tethers (see below). Furthermore, the Moon does have some gravity, which experience to date indicates may be vital for fetal development and long-term human health.<ref> [http://www.racetomars.ca/mars/article_effects.jsp Known effects of long-term space flights on the human body] </ref> Whether the Moon's gravity (roughly one sixth of Earth's) is adequate for this purpose, however, is uncertain.<br />
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In addition, the Moon is the closest large body in the solar system to Earth. While some Earth-crosser asteroids occasionally pass closer, the Moon's distance is consistently within a small range close to 384,400 km. This proximity has several benefits:<br />
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Industries (including space tourism), basing for security forces, and unique technical research facilities. <br />
The energy required to send objects from Earth to the Moon is lower than for most other bodies.<br />
Transit time is short. The Apollo astronauts made the trip in three days and future technologies could improve on this time.<br />
The short transit time would also allow emergency supplies to quickly reach a Moon colony from Earth, or allow a human crew to evacuate relatively quickly from the Moon to Earth in case of emergency. This could be an important consideration when establishing the first human colony.<br />
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The round trip communication delay to Earth is less than three seconds, allowing near-normal voice and video conversation, and allowing some kinds of remote control of machines from Earth that are not possible for any other celestial body. The delay for other solar system bodies is minutes or hours; for example, round trip communication time between Earth and Mars ranges from about eight minutes to about forty minutes. This again would be of particular value in an early colony, where life-threatening problems requiring Earth's assistance could occur. (See, for example, [[Apollo 13]].)<br />
On the Lunar near side, the Earth appears large and is always visible as an object 60 times brighter than the Moon appears from Earth, unlike more distant locations where the Earth would be seen merely as a star-like object, much as the planets appear from Earth. As a result, a Lunar colony might feel less remote to humans living there.<br />
A Lunar base would provide an excellent site for any kind of observatory.<ref> [http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewsr.html?pid=12418 House Science Committee Hearing Charter: Lunar Science & Resources: Future Options | SpaceRef - Space News as it Happens] </ref> Particular advantages arise from building observatory facilities on the Moon from Lunar materials. As the Moon's rotation is so slow, visible light observatories could perform observations for days at a time. By using shades to bock the sunlight a lunar observatory could view the stars 24 hours per day every day of the year. It would be possible to maintain constant observations of specific targets with three observatories separated by 120 degrees longitude on the Moon. The fact that the Moon has low geological activity along with the lack of widespread human activity results in a remarkable lack of mechanical disturbance, making possible highly sensitive interferometric telescopes on the Lunar surface, even at relatively high frequencies such as visible light. <br />
A Lunar base could also hold a future site for launching rockets, to distant planets such as Mars. Launching rockets from the Moon would be an easier prospect than on Earth due to the Moon's lower gravity requiring a lower escape velocity. A lower escape velocity would require less propellant but rocket propellant would cost more. <br />
A [[Lunar Polar Greenhouse|farm at the Lunar North Pole]] could provide eight hours of sunlight per day for rotating crops, a beneficial temperature, radiation protection, insects for pollination, and all other plant needs artificially during the local summer for a cost. One estimate suggested a 0.5 hectare space farm could feed 100 people.<ref> [http://gateway.nlm.nih.gov/MeetingAbstracts/ma?f=102212635.html Lunar farming: achieving maximum crop yield for exploration of space.] </ref><br />
A moon colony could provide us with the in orbit infrastructure we need to colonize other planets. <br />
A moon colony can easily be seen from the Earth. That might inspire people to the challenge of settling the Solar System. A clear vision of initial success would inspire Earth's future leaders, astronauts, and scientists. <br />
Assuming it feasible and the medical issues of [[People Carry#Building Normal Gravity|low gravity is solved]], there are many compelling reasons to found a society in and on the lunar surface in the short term, rather than other bodies of our solar system. These include:<br />
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*The Moon has low escape velocity. So if [[Mass Drivers|electrical launch from Moon to orbit]] is achieved, it would cost less to ship materials from the Moon to space or Earth than it would cost to ship materials from Mars. This exportation of lunar material to other places could pay off the large investment required for a functional, human/robot colony. This trade would benefit other places in need of moon material. (Furthering the income) <br />
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* The delay in Earth to Moon communication is small, nearly three seconds round trip communications delay. In the case of life threatening scenarios, humans on Earth would have more time to address the problem and send help, increasing the probability of the colonists' survival. No other celestial body has such a dependably short communications delay. <br />
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* Because of the lack of atmosphere, combined with extremely slow rotations, sunlight could be harvested with virtually no intereference at the poles. The poles location also serves as a superb infrared observation point. Observations could be continuous from very cold locations. <br />
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* The moon's regolith is rich in oxygen, titanium, silicon, aluninum, iron and magnesium. Hydrogen has been detected in significant amounts.<br />
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* Gazing at the moon serves somewhat of a psychological benefit to humans on Earth, which might gain polictal support for developing a moon colony.<br />
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== Investments ==<br />
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In order to create a thriving civilization, one must gain the support of the general public to pay for expense for importing materials and equipment and designing exact industrial processes which would be suited to the lunar environment.<br />
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== Designs and Ideas==<br />
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The 1950's science fiction ideas of geodistic domes and sheild generatators to solve both radiation and atmospheric requirements will be inadequate. <br />
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=== Difficulties to Solve === <br />
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*If no electrical launch of material from the Moon to orbit is achieved, the cost of importing hydrogen and carbon for rocket fuel would make exporting material from the Moon more expensive than exporting material from Mars. <br />
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*Industrial processes to recover volatiles on the Moon will require the use of pressure vessels and air-locks. Air-lock doors require gaskets. Rubber and silicone used as gasket material on Earth require both hydrogen and carbon. Either sources of these materials which are scarce on the Moon must be found or a [[Doing without rubber gaskets|substitute material]] such as lead must be used. There is some doubt if there are any available sources of lead on the Moon. <br />
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*The highest concentrations of hydrogen so far detected on the Moon are estimated to be equivalent to about 1% ice by weight. <ref>http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-11-14/news/17180950_1_crater_lcross-spacecraft</ref> These concentrations of hydrogen are only found in the permanently shadowed bottoms of some craters in the polar regions of the Moon. The scarcity of hydrogen and the darkness and low temperatures where it is found combine to make the probable future cost of hydrogen on the Moon quite high, and there can be no colony without hydrogen.<br />
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== See also == <br />
*[[First Base]]<br />
*[[Carbon Economy]]<br />
*[[Lunar Settlement Artificial Atmosphere]]<br />
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::David Schrunk, Burton Sharpe, Bonnie Cooper, Madhu Thangavelu, The Moon, Resources, Future Development, and Settlement, (Springer, Second Edition ,2008)<br />
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## liberating,<br />
## occupying, or<br />
## garrisoning towns of our choice.<br />
# Only the person attacked is allowed to counter-attack. This person may designate a counter-attacker. The designee may be anyone, regardless of score.<br />
# Once the original attacker attacks another member of our alliance, that second member may counter attack as well.<br />
# If you have a problem with a certain member of our alliance,<br />
## make yourself a non-target and<br />
## feel free to counter attack. <br />
<br />
Please comment and put <pre>~~~~</pre> at the end to "sign" with your username.<br />
[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 23:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me. [[User:Dcarson|Dcarson]] 00:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me also. [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Still pondering this phraseology. I actually liked the first iteration in ASI MOO better. Its bluntness gave it needed clarity.<br />
:For reference, unless I've been given advance notice to not do so, I will jump in on any occupation, blockade, or other seemingly hostile action for neighboring (and in some cases not so neighboring) allied players, especially smaller, poorly defended ones who are actively building up. If crushing the occupiers or cutting off their escape route from someplace else they're attacking is something you don't want me doing, <FONT style="font-variant:small-caps">tell me in advance.</FONT> -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 02:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Proposed plausible deniability policy ==<br />
<br />
In the event of a wider conflict between other alliances, it may sometimes be prudent overlook occupation of some of our towns as this allows plausible deniability of involvement in the conflict while still aiding our friends. This policy should be unofficial and only implemented during official wars. We should be informed of any such proposed occupation beforehand in the interests of saving our troops. This is a very gray area that needs to be discussed, and if adopted, remain unpublished.<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Idea to get gold to new players==<br />
Give them a couple ships of wood to sell back to us at 99 gold each. This will give them money to buy their own ships instead of having us drag stuff to them.<br />
<br />
==Re-defining purpose of Lunarpedia==<br />
<br />
The article does present any encyclopedic topic/category/knowledge... I propose to move it to scientifiction.org --[[User:Jotagiraldez|Jose Giraldez]] 20:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
This article shouldn't be in Lunarpedia!!!!!!--[[User:Jotagiraldez|Jose Giraldez]] 22:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Well we've moved it now. But the original intention was to attract members from within a game a bunch of us play, something at which the article has failed miserably. Please note that this website is part of [http://www.moonsociety.org The Moon Society] and as such part of it's mandate is to attract members, but I think that was the only article of this nature. As far as moving it to scientifiction.org, no, it doesn't belong there either. I was never really in favour of placing it on Lunarpedia but it was a fait-accomplis before I knew what was going on. Anyway we've now moved it to the very restricted free wiki hosting provided by wikia.com at http://ikmoon.wikia.com/wiki/Ikariam_Selene_Alliance_Wiki<br />
:--[[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 18:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Perhaps I should rephrase that. We're in the process of moving it now. New page setup already.<br />
::--[[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 18:12, 26 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Selene_Alliance&diff=16081Talk:Selene Alliance2011-03-26T18:10:34Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Re-defining purpose of Lunarpedia */</p>
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<div>==Cartography==<br />
Noting that the typeface I picked for the N to point North was something called UnPilgi Bold... -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 12:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Proposed response to attacks==<br />
# We will deploy as _our_ _needs_ require, including but not limited to<br />
## defending,<br />
## liberating,<br />
## occupying, or<br />
## garrisoning towns of our choice.<br />
# Only the person attacked is allowed to counter-attack. This person may designate a counter-attacker. The designee may be anyone, regardless of score.<br />
# Once the original attacker attacks another member of our alliance, that second member may counter attack as well.<br />
# If you have a problem with a certain member of our alliance,<br />
## make yourself a non-target and<br />
## feel free to counter attack. <br />
<br />
Please comment and put <pre>~~~~</pre> at the end to "sign" with your username.<br />
[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 23:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me. [[User:Dcarson|Dcarson]] 00:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me also. [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Still pondering this phraseology. I actually liked the first iteration in ASI MOO better. Its bluntness gave it needed clarity.<br />
:For reference, unless I've been given advance notice to not do so, I will jump in on any occupation, blockade, or other seemingly hostile action for neighboring (and in some cases not so neighboring) allied players, especially smaller, poorly defended ones who are actively building up. If crushing the occupiers or cutting off their escape route from someplace else they're attacking is something you don't want me doing, <FONT style="font-variant:small-caps">tell me in advance.</FONT> -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 02:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Proposed plausible deniability policy ==<br />
<br />
In the event of a wider conflict between other alliances, it may sometimes be prudent overlook occupation of some of our towns as this allows plausible deniability of involvement in the conflict while still aiding our friends. This policy should be unofficial and only implemented during official wars. We should be informed of any such proposed occupation beforehand in the interests of saving our troops. This is a very gray area that needs to be discussed, and if adopted, remain unpublished.<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Idea to get gold to new players==<br />
Give them a couple ships of wood to sell back to us at 99 gold each. This will give them money to buy their own ships instead of having us drag stuff to them.<br />
<br />
==Re-defining purpose of Lunarpedia==<br />
<br />
The article does present any encyclopedic topic/category/knowledge... I propose to move it to scientifiction.org --[[User:Jotagiraldez|Jose Giraldez]] 20:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
This article shouldn't be in Lunarpedia!!!!!!--[[User:Jotagiraldez|Jose Giraldez]] 22:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Well we've moved it now. But the original intention was to attract members from within a game a bunch of us play, something at which the article has failed miserably. Please note that this website is part of [http://www.moonsociety.org The Moon Society] and as such part of it's mandate is to attract members, but I think that was the only article of this nature. As far as moving it to scientifiction.org, no, it doesn't belong there either. I was never really in favour of placing it on Lunarpedia but it was a fait-accomplis before I knew what was going on. Anyway we've now moved it to the very restricted free wiki hosting provided by wikia.com at http://ikmoon.wikia.com/wiki/Ikariam_Selene_Alliance_Wiki<br />
:--[[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 18:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Selene_Alliance&diff=16080Talk:Selene Alliance2011-03-26T18:03:54Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Re-defining purpose of Lunarpedia */</p>
<hr />
<div>==Cartography==<br />
Noting that the typeface I picked for the N to point North was something called UnPilgi Bold... -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 12:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Proposed response to attacks==<br />
# We will deploy as _our_ _needs_ require, including but not limited to<br />
## defending,<br />
## liberating,<br />
## occupying, or<br />
## garrisoning towns of our choice.<br />
# Only the person attacked is allowed to counter-attack. This person may designate a counter-attacker. The designee may be anyone, regardless of score.<br />
# Once the original attacker attacks another member of our alliance, that second member may counter attack as well.<br />
# If you have a problem with a certain member of our alliance,<br />
## make yourself a non-target and<br />
## feel free to counter attack. <br />
<br />
Please comment and put <pre>~~~~</pre> at the end to "sign" with your username.<br />
[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 23:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me. [[User:Dcarson|Dcarson]] 00:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me also. [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Still pondering this phraseology. I actually liked the first iteration in ASI MOO better. Its bluntness gave it needed clarity.<br />
:For reference, unless I've been given advance notice to not do so, I will jump in on any occupation, blockade, or other seemingly hostile action for neighboring (and in some cases not so neighboring) allied players, especially smaller, poorly defended ones who are actively building up. If crushing the occupiers or cutting off their escape route from someplace else they're attacking is something you don't want me doing, <FONT style="font-variant:small-caps">tell me in advance.</FONT> -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 02:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Proposed plausible deniability policy ==<br />
<br />
In the event of a wider conflict between other alliances, it may sometimes be prudent overlook occupation of some of our towns as this allows plausible deniability of involvement in the conflict while still aiding our friends. This policy should be unofficial and only implemented during official wars. We should be informed of any such proposed occupation beforehand in the interests of saving our troops. This is a very gray area that needs to be discussed, and if adopted, remain unpublished.<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Idea to get gold to new players==<br />
Give them a couple ships of wood to sell back to us at 99 gold each. This will give them money to buy their own ships instead of having us drag stuff to them.<br />
<br />
==Re-defining purpose of Lunarpedia==<br />
<br />
The article does present any encyclopedic topic/category/knowledge... I propose to move it to scientifiction.org --[[User:Jotagiraldez|Jose Giraldez]] 20:30, 12 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
This article shouldn't be in Lunarpedia!!!!!!--[[User:Jotagiraldez|Jose Giraldez]] 22:11, 25 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Well we've moved it now. But the original intention was to attract members from within a game a bunch of us play, something at which the article has failed miserably. Please note that this website is part of The Moon Society and as such part of it's mandate is to attract members, but I think that was the only article of this nature. As far as moving it to scientifiction.org, no, it doesn't belong there either. I was never really in favour of placing it on Lunarpedia but it was a fait-accomplis before I knew what was going on. Anyway we've now moved it to the very restricted free wiki hosting provided by wikia.com at http://ikmoon.wikia.com/wiki/Ikariam_Selene_Alliance_Wiki<br />
:--[[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 18:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Selene_Alliance&diff=15577Talk:Selene Alliance2010-07-13T03:22:35Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Proposed plausible deniability policy */</p>
<hr />
<div>==Cartography==<br />
Noting that the typeface I picked for the N to point North was something called UnPilgi Bold... -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 12:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Proposed response to attacks==<br />
# We will deploy as _our_ _needs_ require, including but not limited to<br />
## defending,<br />
## liberating,<br />
## occupying, or<br />
## garrisoning towns of our choice.<br />
# Only the person attacked is allowed to counter-attack. This person may designate a counter-attacker. The designee may be anyone, regardless of score.<br />
# Once the original attacker attacks another member of our alliance, that second member may counter attack as well.<br />
# If you have a problem with a certain member of our alliance,<br />
## make yourself a non-target and<br />
## feel free to counter attack. <br />
<br />
Please comment and put <pre>~~~~</pre> at the end to "sign" with your username.<br />
[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 23:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me. [[User:Dcarson|Dcarson]] 00:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me also. [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Still pondering this phraseology. I actually liked the first iteration in ASI MOO better. Its bluntness gave it needed clarity.<br />
:For reference, unless I've been given advance notice to not do so, I will jump in on any occupation, blockade, or other seemingly hostile action for neighboring (and in some cases not so neighboring) allied players, especially smaller, poorly defended ones who are actively building up. If crushing the occupiers or cutting off their escape route from someplace else they're attacking is something you don't want me doing, <FONT style="font-variant:small-caps">tell me in advance.</FONT> -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 02:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Proposed plausible deniability policy ==<br />
<br />
In the event of a wider conflict between other alliances, it may sometimes be prudent overlook occupation of some of our towns as this allows plausible deniability of involvement in the conflict while still aiding our friends. This policy should be unofficial and only implemented during official wars. We should be informed of any such proposed occupation beforehand in the interests of saving our troops. This is a very gray area that needs to be discussed, and if adopted, remain unpublished.<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:22, 13 July 2010 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Selene_Alliance&diff=15576Talk:Selene Alliance2010-07-13T03:21:28Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Proposed plausible deniability policy */ new section</p>
<hr />
<div>==Cartography==<br />
Noting that the typeface I picked for the N to point North was something called UnPilgi Bold... -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 12:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Proposed response to attacks==<br />
# We will deploy as _our_ _needs_ require, including but not limited to<br />
## defending,<br />
## liberating,<br />
## occupying, or<br />
## garrisoning towns of our choice.<br />
# Only the person attacked is allowed to counter-attack. This person may designate a counter-attacker. The designee may be anyone, regardless of score.<br />
# Once the original attacker attacks another member of our alliance, that second member may counter attack as well.<br />
# If you have a problem with a certain member of our alliance,<br />
## make yourself a non-target and<br />
## feel free to counter attack. <br />
<br />
Please comment and put <pre>~~~~</pre> at the end to "sign" with your username.<br />
[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 23:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me. [[User:Dcarson|Dcarson]] 00:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me also. [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Still pondering this phraseology. I actually liked the first iteration in ASI MOO better. Its bluntness gave it needed clarity.<br />
:For reference, unless I've been given advance notice to not do so, I will jump in on any occupation, blockade, or other seemingly hostile action for neighboring (and in some cases not so neighboring) allied players, especially smaller, poorly defended ones who are actively building up. If crushing the occupiers or cutting off their escape route from someplace else they're attacking is something you don't want me doing, <FONT style="font-variant:small-caps">tell me in advance.</FONT> -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 02:27, 13 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Proposed plausible deniability policy ==<br />
<br />
In the event of a wider conflict between other alliances, it may sometimes be prudent overlook occupation of some of our towns as this allows plausible deniability of involvement in the conflict while still aiding our friends. This policy should be unofficial and only implemented during official wars. We should be informed of any such proposed occupation beforehand in the interests of saving our troops. This is a very gray area that needs to be discussed, and if adopted, remain unpublished.</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Selene_Alliance&diff=15573Talk:Selene Alliance2010-07-13T02:20:35Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Proposed response to attacks */</p>
<hr />
<div>==Cartography==<br />
Noting that the typeface I picked for the N to point North was something called UnPilgi Bold... -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 12:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Proposed response to attacks==<br />
# We will deploy as _our_ _needs_ require, including but not limited to<br />
## defending,<br />
## liberating,<br />
## occupying, or<br />
## garrisoning towns of our choice.<br />
# Only the person attacked is allowed to counter-attack. This person may designate a counter-attacker. The designee may be anyone, regardless of score.<br />
# Once the original attacker attacks another member of our alliance, that second member may counter attack as well.<br />
# If you have a problem with a certain member of our alliance,<br />
## make yourself a non-target and<br />
## feel free to counter attack. <br />
<br />
Please comment and put <pre>~~~~</pre> at the end to "sign" with your username.<br />
[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 23:57, 7 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me. [[User:Dcarson|Dcarson]] 00:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:Seems reasonable to me also. [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:20, 13 July 2010 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Template:AnonDisabled&diff=15413Template:AnonDisabled2009-11-26T08:37:48Z<p>Mdelaney: Corrected spelling mistake</p>
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Tiny white dots: islands with 1 alliance town.<br />
Yellow dots: islands with 2-3 alliance towns.<br />
Orange dots: islands with 4-5 alliance towns.<br />
Red dots: islands with 6+ alliance towns.<br</p>
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<div>'''86 towns extracted from the Embassy list.'''<br /><br />
Tiny white dots: islands with 1 alliance town.<br /><br />
Yellow dots: islands with 2-3 alliance towns.<br /><br />
Orange dots: islands with 4-5 alliance towns.<br /><br />
Red dots: islands with 6+ alliance towns.<br /><br />
Generated by [http://verlamer.ca/ikariam/map/automap.php Ikariam AutoMap Utility v0.8.2]</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Mdelaney&diff=15295User talk:Mdelaney2009-08-08T02:48:12Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Paper Rocket-sled */</p>
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Hi Mike, embarrassing problem here. I have blocked myself out of Marspedia.... I didn't actually think I could do that! I try to unblock myself, it works, but then the wiki realises I was unblocked on a previously blocked IP address and locks me out again! Not entirely sure how i made the mistake, was just being too quick when blocking a spambot IP, looks like I clicked on the wrong "block" tag. Isn't this a bit of a bug? Blocking oneself shouldn't be an option (unless you don't trust yourself not to spam your own pages!). Many thanks in advance. -- an embarrassed [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 04:18, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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There is, but it'll take me a while to dig through the CSS and find it. I never thought of that since I don't use Watched Pages. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 21:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, I've rolled back to a previous version of the css on Lunarpedia, that should work, now I just have to do the same in all the other wikis. Shouldn't take too long to do them, it's a small change. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks Mike. I didn't stop and make any templates because i needed to do some work in the garden while a little rascal was still asleep. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Paper Rocket-sled ==<br />
Thanks for the invitation to expand the paper rocket-sled to lunar orbit article. I checked the max electric power use and at 850 meters per second and 50 meters per second squared acceleration an electric tractor would have to be delivering 51 MegaWatts to a 1.2 metric ton one man space ship. That does not count the inefficiencies or the power used to accelerate the tractor itself. The specifications can perhaps be made less arbitrary. Capping electric power at 10 MegaWatts overall might be more reasonable. The target velocity can be lowered to 1700 m/s and the electric portion to 300 m/s to keep overall length down. I envision shutting down the electric cargo launcher for a half a minute or so whenever there is a passenger launch to divert power. You could write up whatever version of a paper rocket-sled to orbit that seems good to you. Perhaps we can find some way to integrate this idea into a reasonable overall operation. I will keep working on stuff and welcome any help that comes along.--[[User:Farred|Farred]] 01:44, 8 August 2009 (UTC)<br />
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:I don't recall inviting anybody to do anything, must have been one of the others :-)<br /> 51MW is a lot of power to deliver, but probably not all that unreasonable given the fairly short duration it would need to be delivered. The trains on the Eurostar service draw about 12MW at startup, dropping considerably once they're moving.<br />-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:48, 8 August 2009 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunar_Rocket-sled_to_Orbit&diff=15272Lunar Rocket-sled to Orbit2009-08-03T22:10:50Z<p>Mdelaney: </p>
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*Using a lunar rocket-sled to orbit (LRSTO) provides the chance to recapture nearly all rocket exhaust and recycle the precious hydrogen while providing man ratable transportation to escape velocity. Since a rocket-sled moves nearly horizontally, it is possible to encase the track on which the vehicle rides in a long pressure vessel set upon the lunar surface for that portion of the track the rocket uses while burning. An open door at the end of the vessel allows the rocket to escape. Then a short section of track is moved out of the way and the door is closed to trap the exhaust gasses.<br />
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*This rocket-sled would ride on a magnetic levitating track. An electric tractor would push the sled up to 850 meters per second in 18 seconds with a maximum acceleration of 50 meters per second squared. The sled would coast for 1.2 seconds while the tractor drops back. The remaining 1550 meters per second squared to escape velocity would be provided by a liquid hydrogen-liquid oxygen rocket with an exhaust velocity of 4300 meters per second. So 70% of the mass of the vehicle at rocket ignition would reach escape velocity. Rocket acceleration would start at 34.9 meters per second squared and reach a maximum of 50 meters per second squared before burnout. The trip through the long pressure vessel would last 55 seconds and cover 68 kilometers or 42.5 miles. If the track lifts the rocket-sled until circular orbit velocity is reached and then merely provides a means of correcting the position of the rocket-sled to stay in the center of the long pressure vessel, then the pressure vessel would follow the elliptical to parabolic orbital path and end up near 300 meters higher than the starting elevation. <br />
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Red dots: islands with 6+ alliance towns.</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=File:Alliance-map_2009-04-02.png&diff=15059File:Alliance-map 2009-04-02.png2009-04-02T05:09:57Z<p>Mdelaney: Ikariam AutoMap Utility - Result page.
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<div>First let me explain something about myself. I was born and raised in Ireland, I lived and worked in the USA for about 10 years. I returned to Ireland primarily for family reasons. This gives me an unusual perspective on some things, having seen them (to some extent) both from inside and outside.<br />
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Just so nobody gets the wrong idea from some of the responses I write on Lunarpedia, I am not anti-NASA, I'm just not spellbound by NASA or most of the models and plans for returning to the Moon presented by them. I believe there are other models we should examine in the pursuit of our goal.<br />
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Over the last several years I've seen many ideas bandied about. From preserving the status quo to making NASA the space equivalent of the FAA, and everything in between. All of these ideas have pros and cons and should be examined.<br />
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NASA needs to be seen for what it is, a very staid conservative government body that's treated as a political football and generally made to wait around for the money it needs to to the jobs it's told to do only to discover that the politicians have moved the goalposts if they ever do get the funding. NASA should also be viewed as a near-corporate entity, their plans may not be for our lifetimes, but the lifetime of NASA.<br />
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NASA has done many great things and will continue to do so, but while some of those great achievements could only have been executed by a government body, some could have been carried out by private companies had they been given the chance.<br />
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It is also important in 2007 to realize that there are now several countries with astronaut corps. The EU has expressed an interest in getting properly involved in the ESA space programs. The ESA will have Soyuz launch capability from it's own facilities starting in 2008. The launch infrastructure has been designed so that it can be smoothly adapted for human spaceflight.<br />
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So from 2008 it looks like manned launch capabilities will exist for USA, Russia, EU and China and I'm sure the Indians are not far behind. The recent visit of HM Queen Elizabeth II to Goddard Space Flight Center may be an attempt to foster more British interest in space.<br />
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I do not subscribe to "Space Exploration" in the NASA or Star Trek mold. Exploration is a means to an end, not an end in itself as depicted by NASA and Star Trek.<br />
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* Wikipedia has some cool citation templates which we might add<br />
* Wikipedia reflist template is not available i.e. {{reflist}}<br />
* the Wikipedia [citation needed] template is not available: {{Fact|date=March 2007}}.<br />
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Extensions in the pipeline (maybe):<br />
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*Graphviz<br />
*TeX Editor (This is really nice but we had to disable it as there seemed to be a security issue with it)<br />
*WikiTeX (Will take quite some time to install, has a plethora of dependencies)<br />
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Be happy to help. I'm new to editing though, and my html is rusty. <br />
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My Trigonometry is non-existant at this point. I dont start college level trig until January 16th. <br />
[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 21:31, 1 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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Charles mentioned a page structure with GFDL for wikipedia material? Is that for imported articles or all articles that site wikipedia in their content? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 19:45, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:GFDL is the licence that Wikipedia uses, which is why I created the GFDL namespace after lunarpedia list voted in favor of it as one of three licences for Lunarpedia to use. GFDL is viral. Referencing it doesn't infect the source article, but using it for a base or including chunks beyond public-domainable quotations will turn non-GFDL content into GFDL content or cause a GFDL violation. <br />
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:One ambiguity is if GFDL has the '150 contributor' problem where all 150 contributors to a given article must be credited if you're using it. My take on it is that it does (and I'm not the only one, although Wikimedia doesn't seem to be enforcing it that way and may occasionally be in violation of their own licence), thus the import tutorial (where theoretically at least all 150 contributors are listed in the article history and thus credited)... As a matter of fact, this IS one of the reasons I argued for public domain instead -- no copyright means no entanglements, although it seriously constrains our available selection of stock content to swipe and put into the main namespace. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:14, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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would it be possible on the bottom of the elements template to put the above/below element symbols above and below the symbol for the current element? -- [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 00:30, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:Please feel free to make changes and especially additions you find appropriate. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:33, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Periodic Table== <br />
I had the Lanth/Act conversation with my chemistry teacher. Since the lanthanide/actinide series fail to share the same properties of what the current arrangement would say their groups should be and no grouping convention has been agreed upon, we should probably leave them blank. The extended periodic table solves the grouping problem but is made up of mostly theoretical elements with only one element that is not on the standard table falling within the "island of stability". Best bet would be to plug a (none) possibly linked to IUPAC in that field. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 18:16, 26 January 2007 (PST) <br />
:If I leave some data fields blank, will it cause any conflict with the autostub program? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:15, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::The only case where I've thought of a blank field as being a problem was the group column (where I improvised '19'), but in general, do what you need to with the dataset, make sure I correctly understand what the final result is, and I'll adapt the script accordingly. ...and feel free to leave unhandy information blank. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:28, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::I've finished the spreadsheet. Will there be any information lost from the current articles when autostub populates the elements? If so, we need to move those articles so their information can be merged with the autostubs later. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:05, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::We need to create a test. Your email to the list bounced because of the address you used to send it, but it also stripped out the attachments (attachments and html are automatically stripped out -- this sometimes results in emails showing up completely blank) Let me see if I can crank one out. Working on a new cleanup tag for Peter's article. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:10, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::I shot one to dimensionality. did you get it?[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:18, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::I see the attachment. Standby. About to perform the test. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:28, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::Not the expected result, but definitely not a destructive overwrite. http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia:TEST1&action=history -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:33, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::Forgot how to do the export. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:07, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Export -- list the articles by name here, then save the XML file you get. Doublescheck its structure to see that it's a valid XML document and not hhmlish mangle. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:11, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::...and don't forget to uncheck the 'current revision only' box! -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:13, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::::Export completed. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:56, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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== Search Box == <br />
Doing tests. I'll check it this weekend. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 12:59, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Is there a way to put the search box above the maintenance section in the sidebar for ease of searching? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:24, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::I don't know,unfortunately. This may require hacking monobook, which we need to do anyway. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:56, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::: You might ask the guys over at [http://www.reefpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page ReefPedia] if they know. <br />
:::: Look again. The only stuff below their search box is the same stuff we have below on ours. We may be on our own for working out how to do that. Possibly stick the search box above the menubar altogether instead of trying to figure out how to insert it into it? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:16, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::: Hmmmm is it possible to edit the toolbox section and put the maintenance area in there? Putting it above the menu bar may very well be the best option. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:51, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::: I wonder if we can clone the menubar and have an upper and lower one. We need a place to discuss specifications for our modified monobook. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:35, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::: You know alot more about that than I do. My HTML is considered basic these days. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 10:49, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::: Mine is only slowly getting back into any semblance of speed. Until a year ago I was using classical markup exclusively -- no CSS at all. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:53, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I did all the changes in the test element template. If you would like me to go ahead and transfer them to the regular template, I can do so once I get home. -- Jarogers <br />
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Dunno if you noticed, but I did move the search box. It had to be moved in the /skins/Monobook.php or in our case /skins/Lunarpedia.php file. I'm not certain, but http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSkin and/or perhaps http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExpandCss might allow us more flexibility. But as you'll read further down the page, MSIE 5, 5.5 and 6 don't handle CSS very well. I'll try to experiment with them soon. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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Found 2 errors. One [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7c here] another [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7a here]. My daughter has a derm appt at 2:30 and im trying to set up a second appt with the pediatrician. I may be in and out of lunarpedia. Might be easiest to use AIM [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:01, 9 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Unfortunately, jabber.asi.org is still down (it's what I use to connect to AIM). I didn't pull them from the database. Not knowing the reason you put them there I kept on using the code to calculate the linked elements on the fly. I may not be able to get any coding done today. Today is earmarked for activities that will likely leave me too drained to do anything else, although I might be able to do a little. Are there any other changes you want to see? Is everything ready for me to run it after I use your data columns (aside from the [[Iron|element infobox]], which could be fixed later)? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:00, 9 February 2007 (PST) [thought I'd hit send about 9 or 10 hours ago... sorry.] <br />
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::Everything is indeed ready to go. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:47, 11 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::Article content has been restored. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:01, 13 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I forgot all about that one. Yes it is public domain. [[User:12.75.3.93|12.75.3.93]] 11:31, 27 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Stubs and whatnot== <br />
Do we have a tag template for something that is no longer a stub but is not yet a complete article, or could use expansion? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:20, 3 April 2007 (PDT) <br />
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:We probably need an articles for expansion tag and category. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 06:25, 3 April 2007 (PDT) -- whose carpel tunnels still tingle and hurt from yesterday's stub sorting spree <br />
==names to try== <br />
humanspace.org, mannedspace.org, manandspace.org, peoplespace.org, astrospace, cosmospace, futurespace, earthspace, outerspace [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 06:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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== Dropdown Menus == <br />
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I tried installing some CSS driven dropdown menus, they looked crappy, but I suppose we could have fixed that. But the main reason I removed them is that they only work properly with IE7, Firefox 1.5 and 2.0 and maybe Safari. They do not work properly with any version Opera that I tried, nor do they work properly with IE5, 5.5 or 6. So, handy as they would have been, I removed them. Reinstalling them would not be difficult. You can get an idea how they look at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS_Dropdowns Extension:CSS Dropdowns]<br> <br />
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== Help Breakdown == <br />
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=== Quick Help === <br />
I think we should regard the ref tags help as quick help since anyone can use ref tags even when not logged in. <br />
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=== Not-So-Quick Help === <br />
This should be moved to a position below Specialized Help. <br />
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=== Specialized Help === <br />
The files in the specialized help section don't belong there, as most of their content is aimed at administrators. <br />
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Suitable candidates for Specialized Help would be "Using math functions" etc. <br />
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=== Beating your head off a wall Admin Help === <br />
That's the place for that nasty stuff with all the import help etc. <br />
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-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 16:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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==Spam== <br />
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James, I recommend we disable anonymous logins completely, can you do this? We are only getting spam now, and I cannot keep up with it. [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC) <br />
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Hi James, I've returned to Marspedia after an extended absence (family, travel, sleeping...) to find you guys have had a bit of a battle on your hands with spambots - I will commence cleaning up the bits of damage I can find via the logs, but if you have anything specific you need me for, give me a shout. Headed back to the US this week, so I'll be more proactive trying to generate content and users all going well. All the best. [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 01:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:Hey James, thanks for the info on the botnet. I will do my best from this end to stem the flow of junk, but let me know if I can be of further assistance. Cheers :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:I blocked a bunch of anonymous IP vandals and reverted their edits, everything since you last signed off, so caught up and current as of 6.30 am Pacific Time, Sat 3rd Nov 2007 [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, Marspedia is getting hit again by a new barrage of spam over the last week. Looks like the blocking of IP addresses is reaching their expiry. Is there any way of seeing which IPs have already been blocked once in the past (apart from looking at the [[Special:Ipblocklist]] which only shows current blocks)? I assume this new lot of spamming is coming from the same IPs, in which case we can probably extend the block to 3 months (if not longer?) for repeat offenders. <br />
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Also, when a spambot drops it's trash on our doorstep, it seems that no matter what is inputted (like "bgfdbffd" - random rubbish), only a "1" is displayed on the page. I've noticed the same with Lunarpedia. Is this a funky new countermeasure you guys have put into place? Good stuff :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 14:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: No, it's about the only way this cretin can get his or her botnet to post to Lunarpedia or Marspedia at all. Unfortunately, this protection isn't in place on Exoplatz, Exodictionary, and Scientifiction.org. Mike was right in putting it up and I was wrong. Now if we can just find where we misplaced the passwords so we can get the other three wikis usable again (or even shut them down until we can). -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 01:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yeah, I noticed that the other 3 sites were getting a hammering. Once we are in a position to get them active again, let me know, I'll try to help with the clean-up job where I can :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 13:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Putting Lunarpedia Main Page to Shame===<br />
Hi James, got a couple of questions for you...<br />
* I've had a few questions recently from contributors to Marspedia concerning our front page - generally newcomers don't like the format and find it text-heavy. Are admins able to change what is displayed on the front page? Or is there a specific reason for the generic look across Marspedia, Lunarpedia etc. Some suggestions include:<br />
** Adding a featured article (in a similar way to wikipedia).<br />
** Separating the copyright info to a different page (I wouldn't be happy with this, but would be happy with a re-formatting effort).<br />
** Cutting down on text and making it more obvious for newcomers as to what we are doing.<br />
* Is there a way for sysops to see who has registered with Marspedia?<br />
* Likewise, can users access a page with reference to the sysops/admin staff so they can quickly get assistence?<br />
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No rush with the questions, but thought it best to put past you first. At last we are getting a lot of contributions from some great sources! Cheers for your time, hope you are well. Ian --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:As an admin you have the ability to do almost anything that can be done without server access, and that definitely includes changing the front page, which is only locked from general users because it's such a good target for attacks. If you have bureaucrat access, strike the 'almost' in the first sentence. Bureaucrats can turn people into admins and bureaucrats.<br />
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:I fully trust you to make useful changes to the front page. Just note that your innovations may be plagiarized for use on Lunarpedia, et al. 8)<br />
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:Who has accounts: go to the lower left corner and look at 'special pages' -- there's a mess of stuff there including a small number of special pages that only admins can go to. 'User List' isn't a restricted page -- you could go there as anonymous. Note that I know of no special means of sorting through that list, such as not showing banned accounts. You might want to look at http://mediawiki.org to see if you can find an extension that does what you're hoping to find that the simple list doesn't provide.<br />
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:Feel free to set up some sort of help request page. Again, this might be something to duplicate on other wikis.<br />
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:We should probably stop thanking each other, or that's going to eat up a large percentage of our time. 8)<br />
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::Lol, good stuff. Will have a play around and see what options we have for the front page. I'll probably be asking for advice when I get some time to commit to any big alterations to the front page. I'll try thinking up some nice gadgets useful to both Marspedia and Lunarpedia (plagiarize away!). Cheers ;-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, I've had a play with the front page of Marspedia and would be interested to hear your thoughts. In particular the new "featured articles" section. This is along the same vein as wikipedia, but I will need to develop this further as there will be future issues with automation of templates. None of it has been taken from Wikipedia as their templates and system is a nightmare. Better to start at the beginning ;-) Most of the text remains on the front page, but I've highlighted the important bits to improve understanding for newcomers. Cheers -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Your changes look beautiful.<br />
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:If you want to change the protection level go ahead. I didn't know that non-admins could make changes to the Marspedia main page -- usually we can't get away with that as the first non-admins to do so historically want to vandalize it or promote something highly dubious and not at all on topic. The klunky, too big, and too wordy copyright notice could probably handle quite a bit of tinkering -- maybe be made smaller and at the same time larger text? It's kind of important for people to have that information, but it does eat up too much room. I look forward to whatever changes you and the other Marspedia contributors can come up with. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 07:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks James, glad you are enjoying the progress... I'm just really happy that Marspedia has a small but dedicated group of contributors who are very motivated to add quality articles, given me the motivation to develop the site :) I will hold fire on changing the protection of the main page, but I will be keeping a close eye on what is added/changed. If there are signs of abuse, then I'll lock it down, but for now it seems OK. --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 19:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::It won't be the regular contributors or even anyone capable of making a constructive contribution who will force you to lock it down. It will be people and scripts who have no interest in Marspedia other than as a place to add pagerank or similar to their highly dubious sites, typically selling certian prescription pharmaceuticals, tones for ringing telephones, online gaming services, and the like. In other words the sort of nonsense that presently constitutes most of the content for Exoplatz and Scientifiction.org right now. Hopefully Mike can get the passwords so I can at least lock down new account creation for awhile to contain further damage. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Keys Locked in Progress Module===<br />
Hi James, embarrassing problem here. I have blocked myself out of Marspedia. I didn't actually think I could do that! I try to unblock myself, it works, but then the wiki realises I was unblocked on a previously blocked IP address and locks me out again. Not entirely sure how i made the mistake, was just being too quick when blocking a spambot IP. Many thanks in advance. Will also message Mike D to see if he's near a computer. Happy Thanksgiving by the way. -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 04:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Moral of this story? Be sure to have a buddy holding the keys for you when on walkabout ;) --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 20:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Featured Articles and stuff===<br />
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Hi James. Hope you're having a great start to the New Year!<br />
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I'm going to make a concerted effort to get this "Featured Articles" section on Marspedia fully up and running throughout 2008. I think the system I am using makes logical sense (template-driven) and it takes minimal effort to maintain. On your travels, if you come across any nicely written articles you think worthy of being featured on the front page of Marspedia can you nominate them? Instructions can be found via the front page. Will be good to get your view on how this is built :-) I'm hoping that little (useful!) gadgets like this will keep visitors coming back for more as our contributor retention is really bad at the moment (apart from a dedicated couple!).<br />
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All the best, [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 15:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== captcha installation ==<br />
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Hi James, can you please help with [[Marsp:User_talk:Ioneill#gibberish from bot net|this]]? --[[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 09:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hi again, there are new bot attacks in both Lunarpedia and Marspedia, and I wonder whether it is less work to install the [[Marsp:Marspedia:Captcha|new captcha trigger]] or to revert the bot's edits over and over. As fas as I understand you are the only person keeping the passwords for php access. It should take only a few minutes to insert the <span style="background-color:#88FF88"> green parts</span>:<br />
# Logon to the machine where the wikimedia software is running.<br />
# Find the files ConfirmEdit.php, ConfirmEdit.i18n.php, ConfirmEdit_body.php.<br />
# Be sure the contents of the files match.<br />
# Create a backup copy of the files.<br />
# Insert the green parts using vi or prepare the files on your PC and ftp them.<br />
# Check the effect. If you try to change the first letter in a page a captcha should pop up on clicking the "save page" button.<br />
That should be all. You can count on my assistance, if needed. Cheers! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 10:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Unfortunately, I ''don't'' have them. They're all in a text file on a hard drive that may be complete toast that can only run on a specific notebook of mine that may also be complete toast. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] and [[User:Mdelaney|Mike Delaney]] both have these passwords last I checked, however. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I have left a message on their talk pages. You seem to have some doubt regarding the usefullness or the integrity of this captcha thing. If you are suspicious about me because I am not telling my real name I can understand this. Alteration of the software may put the whole system at risk, and I would not let an anonymous user do such a think, nor would I insert any code as long as I have the slightest doubt on its integrity. Reverting on the other hand is definitely safer, and is actually not so much work. Okay, I'm leaving the decision to you and will no longer nudge. Have a good weekend! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 13:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm not suspicious of you at all becouse of your anonymity. I'm very pro-anonymous here, thus my insistence on allowing minimal inconveniences for accountless anonymous contributions. The problem is that I don't have a lot of experience under the hood, and have'nt even had the passwords for when I've felt adventurous enough to try. As you can tell from my fumble yesterday, I can mess up when I'm too tired -- sorry about that. O_O Hopefully you haven't had residual effects from that, as Dr O'Neill had when he accidentally banned himself a couple of months ago (even after I unbanned him, he couldn't contribute without logging in).<br />
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:::Good news: Mike found the login information and got it to me and Dana. Trying your suggestion is in the queue, but there's a lot of stuff to deal with first -- you might easily guess what some of these other things are -- many are crises that have been getting worse and worse for months. 8\ Mike is starting with upgrading the wikis to a newer version of MediaWiki. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 04:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, all wikis updated from 1.10.1 to 1.11.0, all wikis now have captchas, all captcha extensions use the mod suggested by Rfc. Strangelv will not be happy with me, I have set the captchas as follows:<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; // Would check on every edit<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; // Check on page creation.<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true; // Check on edits that add URLs<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['gibberish'] = true; // Check gibberish<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true; // Special:Userlogin&type=signup<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; // Special:Userlogin after failure<br />
Remember, we still allow anonymous editing, as long as anon is willing to enter a few letters in a field.<br /><br />
I haven't decided whether to go with a manual upgrade to 1.11.1 as this would not show up in the Dreamhost control panel. But I am '''not''' repeat '''not''' the only one capable of performing that update.<br /><br />
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Next: The Cleanup!<br />
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-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 23:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Oh, this is hard! No bot will be able to overcom this barrier. Unfortunately, the trigger "<nowiki>$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true;</nowiki>" pops up the captcha on ''every'' edit, making the create, addurl and giggerish trigger effectless. So, we can not test the gibberish trigger. How about setting the triggers as follows:<br />
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$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = false; // Would check on every edit<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = false; // Check on page creation.<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true; // Check on edits that add URLs<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['gibberish'] = true; // Check gibberish<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true; // Special:Userlogin&type=signup<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; // Special:Userlogin after failure<br />
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:This is exactly as it was before plus the gibberish trigger. Let's start with one of the wikis for testing. The gibberish trigger has not been tested, yet.<br />
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::I'm going to leave it as is for a couple of days so the spambot masters get the message that they can no longer spam us. We are thinking of adding an extra user level however, this would be similar to flagging a user as ''unmoderated'' in a forum. That way anyone with a decent track record can bypass the captchas while anonymous users and new users would still be required to enter captcha codes. In the interim, we still have a lot of cleaning up to do. In fact we're going to restore two of the wikis to their state as of September 25th 2007 since those wikis have had no legitimate input since before that date and restoring to that point eliminates all the bogus user accounts.<br />
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::Basically we never lost control of Lunarpedia and Marspedia, and Exoplatz wasn't too hard to clean up. But Exodictionary and Scientifiction got hit really hard, the SQL backup for the Scientifiction databse swelled to almost 408 MB. (Yes, that's four hundred and eight mega bytes)<br />
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::We'll probably set the first two triggers to 'false' before the weekend.<br />
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::-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 13:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Be happy to help. I'm new to editing though, and my html is rusty. <br />
[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 03:05, 1 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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My Trigonometry is non-existant at this point. I dont start college level trig until January 16th. <br />
[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 21:31, 1 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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Charles mentioned a page structure with GFDL for wikipedia material? Is that for imported articles or all articles that site wikipedia in their content? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 19:45, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:GFDL is the licence that Wikipedia uses, which is why I created the GFDL namespace after lunarpedia list voted in favor of it as one of three licences for Lunarpedia to use. GFDL is viral. Referencing it doesn't infect the source article, but using it for a base or including chunks beyond public-domainable quotations will turn non-GFDL content into GFDL content or cause a GFDL violation. <br />
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:One ambiguity is if GFDL has the '150 contributor' problem where all 150 contributors to a given article must be credited if you're using it. My take on it is that it does (and I'm not the only one, although Wikimedia doesn't seem to be enforcing it that way and may occasionally be in violation of their own licence), thus the import tutorial (where theoretically at least all 150 contributors are listed in the article history and thus credited)... As a matter of fact, this IS one of the reasons I argued for public domain instead -- no copyright means no entanglements, although it seriously constrains our available selection of stock content to swipe and put into the main namespace. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:14, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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would it be possible on the bottom of the elements template to put the above/below element symbols above and below the symbol for the current element? -- [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 00:30, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:Please feel free to make changes and especially additions you find appropriate. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:33, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Periodic Table== <br />
I had the Lanth/Act conversation with my chemistry teacher. Since the lanthanide/actinide series fail to share the same properties of what the current arrangement would say their groups should be and no grouping convention has been agreed upon, we should probably leave them blank. The extended periodic table solves the grouping problem but is made up of mostly theoretical elements with only one element that is not on the standard table falling within the "island of stability". Best bet would be to plug a (none) possibly linked to IUPAC in that field. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 18:16, 26 January 2007 (PST) <br />
:If I leave some data fields blank, will it cause any conflict with the autostub program? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:15, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::The only case where I've thought of a blank field as being a problem was the group column (where I improvised '19'), but in general, do what you need to with the dataset, make sure I correctly understand what the final result is, and I'll adapt the script accordingly. ...and feel free to leave unhandy information blank. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:28, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::I've finished the spreadsheet. Will there be any information lost from the current articles when autostub populates the elements? If so, we need to move those articles so their information can be merged with the autostubs later. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:05, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::We need to create a test. Your email to the list bounced because of the address you used to send it, but it also stripped out the attachments (attachments and html are automatically stripped out -- this sometimes results in emails showing up completely blank) Let me see if I can crank one out. Working on a new cleanup tag for Peter's article. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:10, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::I shot one to dimensionality. did you get it?[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:18, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::I see the attachment. Standby. About to perform the test. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:28, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::Not the expected result, but definitely not a destructive overwrite. http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia:TEST1&action=history -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:33, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::Forgot how to do the export. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:07, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Export -- list the articles by name here, then save the XML file you get. Doublescheck its structure to see that it's a valid XML document and not hhmlish mangle. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:11, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::...and don't forget to uncheck the 'current revision only' box! -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:13, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::::Export completed. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:56, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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== Search Box == <br />
Doing tests. I'll check it this weekend. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 12:59, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Is there a way to put the search box above the maintenance section in the sidebar for ease of searching? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:24, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::I don't know,unfortunately. This may require hacking monobook, which we need to do anyway. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:56, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::: You might ask the guys over at [http://www.reefpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page ReefPedia] if they know. <br />
:::: Look again. The only stuff below their search box is the same stuff we have below on ours. We may be on our own for working out how to do that. Possibly stick the search box above the menubar altogether instead of trying to figure out how to insert it into it? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:16, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::: Hmmmm is it possible to edit the toolbox section and put the maintenance area in there? Putting it above the menu bar may very well be the best option. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:51, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::: I wonder if we can clone the menubar and have an upper and lower one. We need a place to discuss specifications for our modified monobook. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:35, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::: You know alot more about that than I do. My HTML is considered basic these days. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 10:49, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::: Mine is only slowly getting back into any semblance of speed. Until a year ago I was using classical markup exclusively -- no CSS at all. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:53, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I did all the changes in the test element template. If you would like me to go ahead and transfer them to the regular template, I can do so once I get home. -- Jarogers <br />
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Dunno if you noticed, but I did move the search box. It had to be moved in the /skins/Monobook.php or in our case /skins/Lunarpedia.php file. I'm not certain, but http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSkin and/or perhaps http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExpandCss might allow us more flexibility. But as you'll read further down the page, MSIE 5, 5.5 and 6 don't handle CSS very well. I'll try to experiment with them soon. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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==Autostub== <br />
Found 2 errors. One [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7c here] another [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7a here]. My daughter has a derm appt at 2:30 and im trying to set up a second appt with the pediatrician. I may be in and out of lunarpedia. Might be easiest to use AIM [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:01, 9 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Unfortunately, jabber.asi.org is still down (it's what I use to connect to AIM). I didn't pull them from the database. Not knowing the reason you put them there I kept on using the code to calculate the linked elements on the fly. I may not be able to get any coding done today. Today is earmarked for activities that will likely leave me too drained to do anything else, although I might be able to do a little. Are there any other changes you want to see? Is everything ready for me to run it after I use your data columns (aside from the [[Iron|element infobox]], which could be fixed later)? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:00, 9 February 2007 (PST) [thought I'd hit send about 9 or 10 hours ago... sorry.] <br />
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::Everything is indeed ready to go. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:47, 11 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::Article content has been restored. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:01, 13 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I forgot all about that one. Yes it is public domain. [[User:12.75.3.93|12.75.3.93]] 11:31, 27 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Stubs and whatnot== <br />
Do we have a tag template for something that is no longer a stub but is not yet a complete article, or could use expansion? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:20, 3 April 2007 (PDT) <br />
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:We probably need an articles for expansion tag and category. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 06:25, 3 April 2007 (PDT) -- whose carpel tunnels still tingle and hurt from yesterday's stub sorting spree <br />
==names to try== <br />
humanspace.org, mannedspace.org, manandspace.org, peoplespace.org, astrospace, cosmospace, futurespace, earthspace, outerspace [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 06:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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== Dropdown Menus == <br />
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I tried installing some CSS driven dropdown menus, they looked crappy, but I suppose we could have fixed that. But the main reason I removed them is that they only work properly with IE7, Firefox 1.5 and 2.0 and maybe Safari. They do not work properly with any version Opera that I tried, nor do they work properly with IE5, 5.5 or 6. So, handy as they would have been, I removed them. Reinstalling them would not be difficult. You can get an idea how they look at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS_Dropdowns Extension:CSS Dropdowns]<br> <br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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== Help Breakdown == <br />
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=== Quick Help === <br />
I think we should regard the ref tags help as quick help since anyone can use ref tags even when not logged in. <br />
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=== Not-So-Quick Help === <br />
This should be moved to a position below Specialized Help. <br />
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=== Specialized Help === <br />
The files in the specialized help section don't belong there, as most of their content is aimed at administrators. <br />
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Suitable candidates for Specialized Help would be "Using math functions" etc. <br />
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=== Beating your head off a wall Admin Help === <br />
That's the place for that nasty stuff with all the import help etc. <br />
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-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 16:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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==Spam== <br />
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James, I recommend we disable anonymous logins completely, can you do this? We are only getting spam now, and I cannot keep up with it. [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC) <br />
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Hi James, I've returned to Marspedia after an extended absence (family, travel, sleeping...) to find you guys have had a bit of a battle on your hands with spambots - I will commence cleaning up the bits of damage I can find via the logs, but if you have anything specific you need me for, give me a shout. Headed back to the US this week, so I'll be more proactive trying to generate content and users all going well. All the best. [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 01:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:Hey James, thanks for the info on the botnet. I will do my best from this end to stem the flow of junk, but let me know if I can be of further assistance. Cheers :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:I blocked a bunch of anonymous IP vandals and reverted their edits, everything since you last signed off, so caught up and current as of 6.30 am Pacific Time, Sat 3rd Nov 2007 [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, Marspedia is getting hit again by a new barrage of spam over the last week. Looks like the blocking of IP addresses is reaching their expiry. Is there any way of seeing which IPs have already been blocked once in the past (apart from looking at the [[Special:Ipblocklist]] which only shows current blocks)? I assume this new lot of spamming is coming from the same IPs, in which case we can probably extend the block to 3 months (if not longer?) for repeat offenders. <br />
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Also, when a spambot drops it's trash on our doorstep, it seems that no matter what is inputted (like "bgfdbffd" - random rubbish), only a "1" is displayed on the page. I've noticed the same with Lunarpedia. Is this a funky new countermeasure you guys have put into place? Good stuff :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 14:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: No, it's about the only way this cretin can get his or her botnet to post to Lunarpedia or Marspedia at all. Unfortunately, this protection isn't in place on Exoplatz, Exodictionary, and Scientifiction.org. Mike was right in putting it up and I was wrong. Now if we can just find where we misplaced the passwords so we can get the other three wikis usable again (or even shut them down until we can). -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 01:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yeah, I noticed that the other 3 sites were getting a hammering. Once we are in a position to get them active again, let me know, I'll try to help with the clean-up job where I can :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 13:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Marspedia stuff==<br />
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===Putting Lunarpedia Main Page to Shame===<br />
Hi James, got a couple of questions for you...<br />
* I've had a few questions recently from contributors to Marspedia concerning our front page - generally newcomers don't like the format and find it text-heavy. Are admins able to change what is displayed on the front page? Or is there a specific reason for the generic look across Marspedia, Lunarpedia etc. Some suggestions include:<br />
** Adding a featured article (in a similar way to wikipedia).<br />
** Separating the copyright info to a different page (I wouldn't be happy with this, but would be happy with a re-formatting effort).<br />
** Cutting down on text and making it more obvious for newcomers as to what we are doing.<br />
* Is there a way for sysops to see who has registered with Marspedia?<br />
* Likewise, can users access a page with reference to the sysops/admin staff so they can quickly get assistence?<br />
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No rush with the questions, but thought it best to put past you first. At last we are getting a lot of contributions from some great sources! Cheers for your time, hope you are well. Ian --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:As an admin you have the ability to do almost anything that can be done without server access, and that definitely includes changing the front page, which is only locked from general users because it's such a good target for attacks. If you have bureaucrat access, strike the 'almost' in the first sentence. Bureaucrats can turn people into admins and bureaucrats.<br />
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:I fully trust you to make useful changes to the front page. Just note that your innovations may be plagiarized for use on Lunarpedia, et al. 8)<br />
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:Who has accounts: go to the lower left corner and look at 'special pages' -- there's a mess of stuff there including a small number of special pages that only admins can go to. 'User List' isn't a restricted page -- you could go there as anonymous. Note that I know of no special means of sorting through that list, such as not showing banned accounts. You might want to look at http://mediawiki.org to see if you can find an extension that does what you're hoping to find that the simple list doesn't provide.<br />
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:Feel free to set up some sort of help request page. Again, this might be something to duplicate on other wikis.<br />
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:We should probably stop thanking each other, or that's going to eat up a large percentage of our time. 8)<br />
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:--[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 04:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, good stuff. Will have a play around and see what options we have for the front page. I'll probably be asking for advice when I get some time to commit to any big alterations to the front page. I'll try thinking up some nice gadgets useful to both Marspedia and Lunarpedia (plagiarize away!). Cheers ;-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, I've had a play with the front page of Marspedia and would be interested to hear your thoughts. In particular the new "featured articles" section. This is along the same vein as wikipedia, but I will need to develop this further as there will be future issues with automation of templates. None of it has been taken from Wikipedia as their templates and system is a nightmare. Better to start at the beginning ;-) Most of the text remains on the front page, but I've highlighted the important bits to improve understanding for newcomers. Cheers -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Your changes look beautiful.<br />
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:If you want to change the protection level go ahead. I didn't know that non-admins could make changes to the Marspedia main page -- usually we can't get away with that as the first non-admins to do so historically want to vandalize it or promote something highly dubious and not at all on topic. The klunky, too big, and too wordy copyright notice could probably handle quite a bit of tinkering -- maybe be made smaller and at the same time larger text? It's kind of important for people to have that information, but it does eat up too much room. I look forward to whatever changes you and the other Marspedia contributors can come up with. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 07:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks James, glad you are enjoying the progress... I'm just really happy that Marspedia has a small but dedicated group of contributors who are very motivated to add quality articles, given me the motivation to develop the site :) I will hold fire on changing the protection of the main page, but I will be keeping a close eye on what is added/changed. If there are signs of abuse, then I'll lock it down, but for now it seems OK. --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 19:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::It won't be the regular contributors or even anyone capable of making a constructive contribution who will force you to lock it down. It will be people and scripts who have no interest in Marspedia other than as a place to add pagerank or similar to their highly dubious sites, typically selling certian prescription pharmaceuticals, tones for ringing telephones, online gaming services, and the like. In other words the sort of nonsense that presently constitutes most of the content for Exoplatz and Scientifiction.org right now. Hopefully Mike can get the passwords so I can at least lock down new account creation for awhile to contain further damage. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Keys Locked in Progress Module===<br />
Hi James, embarrassing problem here. I have blocked myself out of Marspedia. I didn't actually think I could do that! I try to unblock myself, it works, but then the wiki realises I was unblocked on a previously blocked IP address and locks me out again. Not entirely sure how i made the mistake, was just being too quick when blocking a spambot IP. Many thanks in advance. Will also message Mike D to see if he's near a computer. Happy Thanksgiving by the way. -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 04:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Moral of this story? Be sure to have a buddy holding the keys for you when on walkabout ;) --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 20:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Featured Articles and stuff===<br />
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Hi James. Hope you're having a great start to the New Year!<br />
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I'm going to make a concerted effort to get this "Featured Articles" section on Marspedia fully up and running throughout 2008. I think the system I am using makes logical sense (template-driven) and it takes minimal effort to maintain. On your travels, if you come across any nicely written articles you think worthy of being featured on the front page of Marspedia can you nominate them? Instructions can be found via the front page. Will be good to get your view on how this is built :-) I'm hoping that little (useful!) gadgets like this will keep visitors coming back for more as our contributor retention is really bad at the moment (apart from a dedicated couple!).<br />
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Also, I've noticed a lot of 500 server errors of late, have you noticed any problems?<br />
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All the best, [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 15:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== captcha installation ==<br />
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Hi James, can you please help with [[Marsp:User_talk:Ioneill#gibberish from bot net|this]]? --[[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 09:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hi again, there are new bot attacks in both Lunarpedia and Marspedia, and I wonder whether it is less work to install the [[Marsp:Marspedia:Captcha|new captcha trigger]] or to revert the bot's edits over and over. As fas as I understand you are the only person keeping the passwords for php access. It should take only a few minutes to insert the <span style="background-color:#88FF88"> green parts</span>:<br />
# Logon to the machine where the wikimedia software is running.<br />
# Find the files ConfirmEdit.php, ConfirmEdit.i18n.php, ConfirmEdit_body.php.<br />
# Be sure the contents of the files match.<br />
# Create a backup copy of the files.<br />
# Insert the green parts using vi or prepare the files on your PC and ftp them.<br />
# Check the effect. If you try to change the first letter in a page a captcha should pop up on clicking the "save page" button.<br />
That should be all. You can count on my assistance, if needed. Cheers! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 10:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Unfortunately, I ''don't'' have them. They're all in a text file on a hard drive that may be complete toast that can only run on a specific notebook of mine that may also be complete toast. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] and [[User:Mdelaney|Mike Delaney]] both have these passwords last I checked, however. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I have left a message on their talk pages. You seem to have some doubt regarding the usefullness or the integrity of this captcha thing. If you are suspicious about me because I am not telling my real name I can understand this. Alteration of the software may put the whole system at risk, and I would not let an anonymous user do such a think, nor would I insert any code as long as I have the slightest doubt on its integrity. Reverting on the other hand is definitely safer, and is actually not so much work. Okay, I'm leaving the decision to you and will no longer nudge. Have a good weekend! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 13:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm not suspicious of you at all becouse of your anonymity. I'm very pro-anonymous here, thus my insistence on allowing minimal inconveniences for accountless anonymous contributions. The problem is that I don't have a lot of experience under the hood, and have'nt even had the passwords for when I've felt adventurous enough to try. As you can tell from my fumble yesterday, I can mess up when I'm too tired -- sorry about that. O_O Hopefully you haven't had residual effects from that, as Dr O'Neill had when he accidentally banned himself a couple of months ago (even after I unbanned him, he couldn't contribute without logging in).<br />
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:::Good news: Mike found the login information and got it to me and Dana. Trying your suggestion is in the queue, but there's a lot of stuff to deal with first -- you might easily guess what some of these other things are -- many are crises that have been getting worse and worse for months. 8\ Mike is starting with upgrading the wikis to a newer version of MediaWiki. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 04:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, all wikis updated from 1.10.1 to 1.11.0, all wikis now have captchas, all captcha extensions use the mod suggested by Rfc. Strangelv will not be happy with me, I have set the captchas as follows:<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; // Would check on every edit<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; // Check on page creation.<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true; // Check on edits that add URLs<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['gibberish'] = true; // Check gibberish<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true; // Special:Userlogin&type=signup<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; // Special:Userlogin after failure<br />
Remember, we still allow anonymous editing, as long as anon is willing to enter a few letters in a field.<br /><br />
I haven't decided whether to go with a manual upgrade to 1.11.1 as this would not show up in the Dreamhost control panel. But I am '''not''' repeat '''not''' the only one capable of performing that update.<br /><br />
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Next: The Cleanup!<br />
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-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 23:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Be happy to help. I'm new to editing though, and my html is rusty. <br />
[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 03:05, 1 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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My Trigonometry is non-existant at this point. I dont start college level trig until January 16th. <br />
[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 21:31, 1 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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Charles mentioned a page structure with GFDL for wikipedia material? Is that for imported articles or all articles that site wikipedia in their content? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 19:45, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:GFDL is the licence that Wikipedia uses, which is why I created the GFDL namespace after lunarpedia list voted in favor of it as one of three licences for Lunarpedia to use. GFDL is viral. Referencing it doesn't infect the source article, but using it for a base or including chunks beyond public-domainable quotations will turn non-GFDL content into GFDL content or cause a GFDL violation. <br />
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:One ambiguity is if GFDL has the '150 contributor' problem where all 150 contributors to a given article must be credited if you're using it. My take on it is that it does (and I'm not the only one, although Wikimedia doesn't seem to be enforcing it that way and may occasionally be in violation of their own licence), thus the import tutorial (where theoretically at least all 150 contributors are listed in the article history and thus credited)... As a matter of fact, this IS one of the reasons I argued for public domain instead -- no copyright means no entanglements, although it seriously constrains our available selection of stock content to swipe and put into the main namespace. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:14, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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would it be possible on the bottom of the elements template to put the above/below element symbols above and below the symbol for the current element? -- [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 00:30, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:Please feel free to make changes and especially additions you find appropriate. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:33, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Periodic Table== <br />
I had the Lanth/Act conversation with my chemistry teacher. Since the lanthanide/actinide series fail to share the same properties of what the current arrangement would say their groups should be and no grouping convention has been agreed upon, we should probably leave them blank. The extended periodic table solves the grouping problem but is made up of mostly theoretical elements with only one element that is not on the standard table falling within the "island of stability". Best bet would be to plug a (none) possibly linked to IUPAC in that field. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 18:16, 26 January 2007 (PST) <br />
:If I leave some data fields blank, will it cause any conflict with the autostub program? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:15, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::The only case where I've thought of a blank field as being a problem was the group column (where I improvised '19'), but in general, do what you need to with the dataset, make sure I correctly understand what the final result is, and I'll adapt the script accordingly. ...and feel free to leave unhandy information blank. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:28, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::I've finished the spreadsheet. Will there be any information lost from the current articles when autostub populates the elements? If so, we need to move those articles so their information can be merged with the autostubs later. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:05, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::We need to create a test. Your email to the list bounced because of the address you used to send it, but it also stripped out the attachments (attachments and html are automatically stripped out -- this sometimes results in emails showing up completely blank) Let me see if I can crank one out. Working on a new cleanup tag for Peter's article. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:10, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::I shot one to dimensionality. did you get it?[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:18, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::I see the attachment. Standby. About to perform the test. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:28, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::Not the expected result, but definitely not a destructive overwrite. http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia:TEST1&action=history -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:33, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::Forgot how to do the export. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:07, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Export -- list the articles by name here, then save the XML file you get. Doublescheck its structure to see that it's a valid XML document and not hhmlish mangle. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:11, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::...and don't forget to uncheck the 'current revision only' box! -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:13, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::::Export completed. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:56, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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== Search Box == <br />
Doing tests. I'll check it this weekend. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 12:59, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Is there a way to put the search box above the maintenance section in the sidebar for ease of searching? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:24, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::I don't know,unfortunately. This may require hacking monobook, which we need to do anyway. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:56, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::: You might ask the guys over at [http://www.reefpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page ReefPedia] if they know. <br />
:::: Look again. The only stuff below their search box is the same stuff we have below on ours. We may be on our own for working out how to do that. Possibly stick the search box above the menubar altogether instead of trying to figure out how to insert it into it? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:16, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::: Hmmmm is it possible to edit the toolbox section and put the maintenance area in there? Putting it above the menu bar may very well be the best option. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:51, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::: I wonder if we can clone the menubar and have an upper and lower one. We need a place to discuss specifications for our modified monobook. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:35, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::: You know alot more about that than I do. My HTML is considered basic these days. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 10:49, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::: Mine is only slowly getting back into any semblance of speed. Until a year ago I was using classical markup exclusively -- no CSS at all. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:53, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I did all the changes in the test element template. If you would like me to go ahead and transfer them to the regular template, I can do so once I get home. -- Jarogers <br />
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Dunno if you noticed, but I did move the search box. It had to be moved in the /skins/Monobook.php or in our case /skins/Lunarpedia.php file. I'm not certain, but http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSkin and/or perhaps http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExpandCss might allow us more flexibility. But as you'll read further down the page, MSIE 5, 5.5 and 6 don't handle CSS very well. I'll try to experiment with them soon. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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==Autostub== <br />
Found 2 errors. One [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7c here] another [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7a here]. My daughter has a derm appt at 2:30 and im trying to set up a second appt with the pediatrician. I may be in and out of lunarpedia. Might be easiest to use AIM [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:01, 9 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Unfortunately, jabber.asi.org is still down (it's what I use to connect to AIM). I didn't pull them from the database. Not knowing the reason you put them there I kept on using the code to calculate the linked elements on the fly. I may not be able to get any coding done today. Today is earmarked for activities that will likely leave me too drained to do anything else, although I might be able to do a little. Are there any other changes you want to see? Is everything ready for me to run it after I use your data columns (aside from the [[Iron|element infobox]], which could be fixed later)? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:00, 9 February 2007 (PST) [thought I'd hit send about 9 or 10 hours ago... sorry.] <br />
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::Everything is indeed ready to go. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:47, 11 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::Article content has been restored. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:01, 13 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I forgot all about that one. Yes it is public domain. [[User:12.75.3.93|12.75.3.93]] 11:31, 27 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Stubs and whatnot== <br />
Do we have a tag template for something that is no longer a stub but is not yet a complete article, or could use expansion? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:20, 3 April 2007 (PDT) <br />
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:We probably need an articles for expansion tag and category. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 06:25, 3 April 2007 (PDT) -- whose carpel tunnels still tingle and hurt from yesterday's stub sorting spree <br />
==names to try== <br />
humanspace.org, mannedspace.org, manandspace.org, peoplespace.org, astrospace, cosmospace, futurespace, earthspace, outerspace [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 06:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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== Dropdown Menus == <br />
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I tried installing some CSS driven dropdown menus, they looked crappy, but I suppose we could have fixed that. But the main reason I removed them is that they only work properly with IE7, Firefox 1.5 and 2.0 and maybe Safari. They do not work properly with any version Opera that I tried, nor do they work properly with IE5, 5.5 or 6. So, handy as they would have been, I removed them. Reinstalling them would not be difficult. You can get an idea how they look at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS_Dropdowns Extension:CSS Dropdowns]<br> <br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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== Help Breakdown == <br />
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=== Quick Help === <br />
I think we should regard the ref tags help as quick help since anyone can use ref tags even when not logged in. <br />
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=== Not-So-Quick Help === <br />
This should be moved to a position below Specialized Help. <br />
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=== Specialized Help === <br />
The files in the specialized help section don't belong there, as most of their content is aimed at administrators. <br />
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Suitable candidates for Specialized Help would be "Using math functions" etc. <br />
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=== Beating your head off a wall Admin Help === <br />
That's the place for that nasty stuff with all the import help etc. <br />
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-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 16:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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==Spam== <br />
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James, I recommend we disable anonymous logins completely, can you do this? We are only getting spam now, and I cannot keep up with it. [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC) <br />
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Hi James, I've returned to Marspedia after an extended absence (family, travel, sleeping...) to find you guys have had a bit of a battle on your hands with spambots - I will commence cleaning up the bits of damage I can find via the logs, but if you have anything specific you need me for, give me a shout. Headed back to the US this week, so I'll be more proactive trying to generate content and users all going well. All the best. [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 01:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:Hey James, thanks for the info on the botnet. I will do my best from this end to stem the flow of junk, but let me know if I can be of further assistance. Cheers :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:I blocked a bunch of anonymous IP vandals and reverted their edits, everything since you last signed off, so caught up and current as of 6.30 am Pacific Time, Sat 3rd Nov 2007 [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, Marspedia is getting hit again by a new barrage of spam over the last week. Looks like the blocking of IP addresses is reaching their expiry. Is there any way of seeing which IPs have already been blocked once in the past (apart from looking at the [[Special:Ipblocklist]] which only shows current blocks)? I assume this new lot of spamming is coming from the same IPs, in which case we can probably extend the block to 3 months (if not longer?) for repeat offenders. <br />
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Also, when a spambot drops it's trash on our doorstep, it seems that no matter what is inputted (like "bgfdbffd" - random rubbish), only a "1" is displayed on the page. I've noticed the same with Lunarpedia. Is this a funky new countermeasure you guys have put into place? Good stuff :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 14:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: No, it's about the only way this cretin can get his or her botnet to post to Lunarpedia or Marspedia at all. Unfortunately, this protection isn't in place on Exoplatz, Exodictionary, and Scientifiction.org. Mike was right in putting it up and I was wrong. Now if we can just find where we misplaced the passwords so we can get the other three wikis usable again (or even shut them down until we can). -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 01:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yeah, I noticed that the other 3 sites were getting a hammering. Once we are in a position to get them active again, let me know, I'll try to help with the clean-up job where I can :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 13:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Marspedia stuff==<br />
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===Putting Lunarpedia Main Page to Shame===<br />
Hi James, got a couple of questions for you...<br />
* I've had a few questions recently from contributors to Marspedia concerning our front page - generally newcomers don't like the format and find it text-heavy. Are admins able to change what is displayed on the front page? Or is there a specific reason for the generic look across Marspedia, Lunarpedia etc. Some suggestions include:<br />
** Adding a featured article (in a similar way to wikipedia).<br />
** Separating the copyright info to a different page (I wouldn't be happy with this, but would be happy with a re-formatting effort).<br />
** Cutting down on text and making it more obvious for newcomers as to what we are doing.<br />
* Is there a way for sysops to see who has registered with Marspedia?<br />
* Likewise, can users access a page with reference to the sysops/admin staff so they can quickly get assistence?<br />
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No rush with the questions, but thought it best to put past you first. At last we are getting a lot of contributions from some great sources! Cheers for your time, hope you are well. Ian --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:As an admin you have the ability to do almost anything that can be done without server access, and that definitely includes changing the front page, which is only locked from general users because it's such a good target for attacks. If you have bureaucrat access, strike the 'almost' in the first sentence. Bureaucrats can turn people into admins and bureaucrats.<br />
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:I fully trust you to make useful changes to the front page. Just note that your innovations may be plagiarized for use on Lunarpedia, et al. 8)<br />
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:Who has accounts: go to the lower left corner and look at 'special pages' -- there's a mess of stuff there including a small number of special pages that only admins can go to. 'User List' isn't a restricted page -- you could go there as anonymous. Note that I know of no special means of sorting through that list, such as not showing banned accounts. You might want to look at http://mediawiki.org to see if you can find an extension that does what you're hoping to find that the simple list doesn't provide.<br />
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:Feel free to set up some sort of help request page. Again, this might be something to duplicate on other wikis.<br />
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:We should probably stop thanking each other, or that's going to eat up a large percentage of our time. 8)<br />
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:--[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 04:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, good stuff. Will have a play around and see what options we have for the front page. I'll probably be asking for advice when I get some time to commit to any big alterations to the front page. I'll try thinking up some nice gadgets useful to both Marspedia and Lunarpedia (plagiarize away!). Cheers ;-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, I've had a play with the front page of Marspedia and would be interested to hear your thoughts. In particular the new "featured articles" section. This is along the same vein as wikipedia, but I will need to develop this further as there will be future issues with automation of templates. None of it has been taken from Wikipedia as their templates and system is a nightmare. Better to start at the beginning ;-) Most of the text remains on the front page, but I've highlighted the important bits to improve understanding for newcomers. Cheers -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Your changes look beautiful.<br />
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:If you want to change the protection level go ahead. I didn't know that non-admins could make changes to the Marspedia main page -- usually we can't get away with that as the first non-admins to do so historically want to vandalize it or promote something highly dubious and not at all on topic. The klunky, too big, and too wordy copyright notice could probably handle quite a bit of tinkering -- maybe be made smaller and at the same time larger text? It's kind of important for people to have that information, but it does eat up too much room. I look forward to whatever changes you and the other Marspedia contributors can come up with. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 07:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks James, glad you are enjoying the progress... I'm just really happy that Marspedia has a small but dedicated group of contributors who are very motivated to add quality articles, given me the motivation to develop the site :) I will hold fire on changing the protection of the main page, but I will be keeping a close eye on what is added/changed. If there are signs of abuse, then I'll lock it down, but for now it seems OK. --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 19:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::It won't be the regular contributors or even anyone capable of making a constructive contribution who will force you to lock it down. It will be people and scripts who have no interest in Marspedia other than as a place to add pagerank or similar to their highly dubious sites, typically selling certian prescription pharmaceuticals, tones for ringing telephones, online gaming services, and the like. In other words the sort of nonsense that presently constitutes most of the content for Exoplatz and Scientifiction.org right now. Hopefully Mike can get the passwords so I can at least lock down new account creation for awhile to contain further damage. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Keys Locked in Progress Module===<br />
Hi James, embarrassing problem here. I have blocked myself out of Marspedia. I didn't actually think I could do that! I try to unblock myself, it works, but then the wiki realises I was unblocked on a previously blocked IP address and locks me out again. Not entirely sure how i made the mistake, was just being too quick when blocking a spambot IP. Many thanks in advance. Will also message Mike D to see if he's near a computer. Happy Thanksgiving by the way. -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 04:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Moral of this story? Be sure to have a buddy holding the keys for you when on walkabout ;) --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 20:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Featured Articles and stuff===<br />
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Hi James. Hope you're having a great start to the New Year!<br />
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I'm going to make a concerted effort to get this "Featured Articles" section on Marspedia fully up and running throughout 2008. I think the system I am using makes logical sense (template-driven) and it takes minimal effort to maintain. On your travels, if you come across any nicely written articles you think worthy of being featured on the front page of Marspedia can you nominate them? Instructions can be found via the front page. Will be good to get your view on how this is built :-) I'm hoping that little (useful!) gadgets like this will keep visitors coming back for more as our contributor retention is really bad at the moment (apart from a dedicated couple!).<br />
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Also, I've noticed a lot of 500 server errors of late, have you noticed any problems?<br />
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All the best, [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 15:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== captcha installation ==<br />
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Hi James, can you please help with [[Marsp:User_talk:Ioneill#gibberish from bot net|this]]? --[[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 09:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hi again, there are new bot attacks in both Lunarpedia and Marspedia, and I wonder whether it is less work to install the [[Marsp:Marspedia:Captcha|new captcha trigger]] or to revert the bot's edits over and over. As fas as I understand you are the only person keeping the passwords for php access. It should take only a few minutes to insert the <span style="background-color:#88FF88"> green parts</span>:<br />
# Logon to the machine where the wikimedia software is running.<br />
# Find the files ConfirmEdit.php, ConfirmEdit.i18n.php, ConfirmEdit_body.php.<br />
# Be sure the contents of the files match.<br />
# Create a backup copy of the files.<br />
# Insert the green parts using vi or prepare the files on your PC and ftp them.<br />
# Check the effect. If you try to change the first letter in a page a captcha should pop up on clicking the "save page" button.<br />
That should be all. You can count on my assistance, if needed. Cheers! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 10:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Unfortunately, I ''don't'' have them. They're all in a text file on a hard drive that may be complete toast that can only run on a specific notebook of mine that may also be complete toast. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] and [[User:Mdelaney|Mike Delaney]] both have these passwords last I checked, however. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I have left a message on their talk pages. You seem to have some doubt regarding the usefullness or the integrity of this captcha thing. If you are suspicious about me because I am not telling my real name I can understand this. Alteration of the software may put the whole system at risk, and I would not let an anonymous user do such a think, nor would I insert any code as long as I have the slightest doubt on its integrity. Reverting on the other hand is definitely safer, and is actually not so much work. Okay, I'm leaving the decision to you and will no longer nudge. Have a good weekend! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 13:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm not suspicious of you at all becouse of your anonymity. I'm very pro-anonymous here, thus my insistence on allowing minimal inconveniences for accountless anonymous contributions. The problem is that I don't have a lot of experience under the hood, and have'nt even had the passwords for when I've felt adventurous enough to try. As you can tell from my fumble yesterday, I can mess up when I'm too tired -- sorry about that. O_O Hopefully you haven't had residual effects from that, as Dr O'Neill had when he accidentally banned himself a couple of months ago (even after I unbanned him, he couldn't contribute without logging in).<br />
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:::Good news: Mike found the login information and got it to me and Dana. Trying your suggestion is in the queue, but there's a lot of stuff to deal with first -- you might easily guess what some of these other things are -- many are crises that have been getting worse and worse for months. 8\ Mike is starting with upgrading the wikis to a newer version of MediaWiki. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 04:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, all wikis updated from 1.10.1 to 1.11.0, all wikis now have captchas, all captcha extensions use the mod suggested by Rfc. Strangelv will not be happy with me, I have set the captchas as follows:<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; // Would check on every edit<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; // Check on page creation.<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true; // Check on edits that add URLs<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['gibberish'] = true; // Check gibberish<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true; // Special:Userlogin&type=signup<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; // Special:Userlogin after failure<br />
Remember, we still allow anonymous editing, as long as anon is willing to enter a few letters in a field.<br /><br />
I haven't decided whether to go with a manual upgrade to 1.11.1 as this would not show up in the Dreamhost control panel. But I am '''not''' repeat '''not''' the only one capable of performing that update.<br /><br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 23:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Be happy to help. I'm new to editing though, and my html is rusty. <br />
[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 03:05, 1 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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My Trigonometry is non-existant at this point. I dont start college level trig until January 16th. <br />
[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 21:31, 1 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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Charles mentioned a page structure with GFDL for wikipedia material? Is that for imported articles or all articles that site wikipedia in their content? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 19:45, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:GFDL is the licence that Wikipedia uses, which is why I created the GFDL namespace after lunarpedia list voted in favor of it as one of three licences for Lunarpedia to use. GFDL is viral. Referencing it doesn't infect the source article, but using it for a base or including chunks beyond public-domainable quotations will turn non-GFDL content into GFDL content or cause a GFDL violation. <br />
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:One ambiguity is if GFDL has the '150 contributor' problem where all 150 contributors to a given article must be credited if you're using it. My take on it is that it does (and I'm not the only one, although Wikimedia doesn't seem to be enforcing it that way and may occasionally be in violation of their own licence), thus the import tutorial (where theoretically at least all 150 contributors are listed in the article history and thus credited)... As a matter of fact, this IS one of the reasons I argued for public domain instead -- no copyright means no entanglements, although it seriously constrains our available selection of stock content to swipe and put into the main namespace. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:14, 7 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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would it be possible on the bottom of the elements template to put the above/below element symbols above and below the symbol for the current element? -- [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 00:30, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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:Please feel free to make changes and especially additions you find appropriate. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:33, 21 January 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Periodic Table== <br />
I had the Lanth/Act conversation with my chemistry teacher. Since the lanthanide/actinide series fail to share the same properties of what the current arrangement would say their groups should be and no grouping convention has been agreed upon, we should probably leave them blank. The extended periodic table solves the grouping problem but is made up of mostly theoretical elements with only one element that is not on the standard table falling within the "island of stability". Best bet would be to plug a (none) possibly linked to IUPAC in that field. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 18:16, 26 January 2007 (PST) <br />
:If I leave some data fields blank, will it cause any conflict with the autostub program? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:15, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::The only case where I've thought of a blank field as being a problem was the group column (where I improvised '19'), but in general, do what you need to with the dataset, make sure I correctly understand what the final result is, and I'll adapt the script accordingly. ...and feel free to leave unhandy information blank. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:28, 3 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::I've finished the spreadsheet. Will there be any information lost from the current articles when autostub populates the elements? If so, we need to move those articles so their information can be merged with the autostubs later. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:05, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::We need to create a test. Your email to the list bounced because of the address you used to send it, but it also stripped out the attachments (attachments and html are automatically stripped out -- this sometimes results in emails showing up completely blank) Let me see if I can crank one out. Working on a new cleanup tag for Peter's article. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:10, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::I shot one to dimensionality. did you get it?[[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:18, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::I see the attachment. Standby. About to perform the test. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:28, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::Not the expected result, but definitely not a destructive overwrite. http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia:TEST1&action=history -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 13:33, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::Forgot how to do the export. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:07, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Special:Export -- list the articles by name here, then save the XML file you get. Doublescheck its structure to see that it's a valid XML document and not hhmlish mangle. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:11, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::::...and don't forget to uncheck the 'current revision only' box! -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:13, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::::Export completed. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:56, 6 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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== Search Box == <br />
Doing tests. I'll check it this weekend. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 12:59, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Is there a way to put the search box above the maintenance section in the sidebar for ease of searching? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 13:24, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::I don't know,unfortunately. This may require hacking monobook, which we need to do anyway. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 14:56, 1 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::: You might ask the guys over at [http://www.reefpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page ReefPedia] if they know. <br />
:::: Look again. The only stuff below their search box is the same stuff we have below on ours. We may be on our own for working out how to do that. Possibly stick the search box above the menubar altogether instead of trying to figure out how to insert it into it? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 09:16, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::: Hmmmm is it possible to edit the toolbox section and put the maintenance area in there? Putting it above the menu bar may very well be the best option. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:51, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::: I wonder if we can clone the menubar and have an upper and lower one. We need a place to discuss specifications for our modified monobook. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:35, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
::::::: You know alot more about that than I do. My HTML is considered basic these days. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 10:49, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::::::: Mine is only slowly getting back into any semblance of speed. Until a year ago I was using classical markup exclusively -- no CSS at all. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:53, 2 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I did all the changes in the test element template. If you would like me to go ahead and transfer them to the regular template, I can do so once I get home. -- Jarogers <br />
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Dunno if you noticed, but I did move the search box. It had to be moved in the /skins/Monobook.php or in our case /skins/Lunarpedia.php file. I'm not certain, but http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiSkin and/or perhaps http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ExpandCss might allow us more flexibility. But as you'll read further down the page, MSIE 5, 5.5 and 6 don't handle CSS very well. I'll try to experiment with them soon. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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==Autostub== <br />
Found 2 errors. One [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7c here] another [http://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Lunarpedia_talk:Autostub2_test_7a here]. My daughter has a derm appt at 2:30 and im trying to set up a second appt with the pediatrician. I may be in and out of lunarpedia. Might be easiest to use AIM [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 09:01, 9 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:Unfortunately, jabber.asi.org is still down (it's what I use to connect to AIM). I didn't pull them from the database. Not knowing the reason you put them there I kept on using the code to calculate the linked elements on the fly. I may not be able to get any coding done today. Today is earmarked for activities that will likely leave me too drained to do anything else, although I might be able to do a little. Are there any other changes you want to see? Is everything ready for me to run it after I use your data columns (aside from the [[Iron|element infobox]], which could be fixed later)? -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 21:00, 9 February 2007 (PST) [thought I'd hit send about 9 or 10 hours ago... sorry.] <br />
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::Everything is indeed ready to go. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:47, 11 February 2007 (PST) <br />
:::Article content has been restored. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 14:01, 13 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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I forgot all about that one. Yes it is public domain. [[User:12.75.3.93|12.75.3.93]] 11:31, 27 February 2007 (PST) <br />
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==Stubs and whatnot== <br />
Do we have a tag template for something that is no longer a stub but is not yet a complete article, or could use expansion? [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:20, 3 April 2007 (PDT) <br />
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:We probably need an articles for expansion tag and category. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 06:25, 3 April 2007 (PDT) -- whose carpel tunnels still tingle and hurt from yesterday's stub sorting spree <br />
==names to try== <br />
humanspace.org, mannedspace.org, manandspace.org, peoplespace.org, astrospace, cosmospace, futurespace, earthspace, outerspace [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 06:28, 8 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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== Dropdown Menus == <br />
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I tried installing some CSS driven dropdown menus, they looked crappy, but I suppose we could have fixed that. But the main reason I removed them is that they only work properly with IE7, Firefox 1.5 and 2.0 and maybe Safari. They do not work properly with any version Opera that I tried, nor do they work properly with IE5, 5.5 or 6. So, handy as they would have been, I removed them. Reinstalling them would not be difficult. You can get an idea how they look at [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:CSS_Dropdowns Extension:CSS Dropdowns]<br> <br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:33, 10 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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== Help Breakdown == <br />
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=== Quick Help === <br />
I think we should regard the ref tags help as quick help since anyone can use ref tags even when not logged in. <br />
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=== Not-So-Quick Help === <br />
This should be moved to a position below Specialized Help. <br />
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=== Specialized Help === <br />
The files in the specialized help section don't belong there, as most of their content is aimed at administrators. <br />
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Suitable candidates for Specialized Help would be "Using math functions" etc. <br />
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=== Beating your head off a wall Admin Help === <br />
That's the place for that nasty stuff with all the import help etc. <br />
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-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 16:16, 13 April 2007 (UTC) <br />
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==Spam== <br />
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James, I recommend we disable anonymous logins completely, can you do this? We are only getting spam now, and I cannot keep up with it. [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC) <br />
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Hi James, I've returned to Marspedia after an extended absence (family, travel, sleeping...) to find you guys have had a bit of a battle on your hands with spambots - I will commence cleaning up the bits of damage I can find via the logs, but if you have anything specific you need me for, give me a shout. Headed back to the US this week, so I'll be more proactive trying to generate content and users all going well. All the best. [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 01:21, 1 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:Hey James, thanks for the info on the botnet. I will do my best from this end to stem the flow of junk, but let me know if I can be of further assistance. Cheers :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC) <br />
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:I blocked a bunch of anonymous IP vandals and reverted their edits, everything since you last signed off, so caught up and current as of 6.30 am Pacific Time, Sat 3rd Nov 2007 [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:31, 3 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, Marspedia is getting hit again by a new barrage of spam over the last week. Looks like the blocking of IP addresses is reaching their expiry. Is there any way of seeing which IPs have already been blocked once in the past (apart from looking at the [[Special:Ipblocklist]] which only shows current blocks)? I assume this new lot of spamming is coming from the same IPs, in which case we can probably extend the block to 3 months (if not longer?) for repeat offenders. <br />
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Also, when a spambot drops it's trash on our doorstep, it seems that no matter what is inputted (like "bgfdbffd" - random rubbish), only a "1" is displayed on the page. I've noticed the same with Lunarpedia. Is this a funky new countermeasure you guys have put into place? Good stuff :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 14:51, 22 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:: No, it's about the only way this cretin can get his or her botnet to post to Lunarpedia or Marspedia at all. Unfortunately, this protection isn't in place on Exoplatz, Exodictionary, and Scientifiction.org. Mike was right in putting it up and I was wrong. Now if we can just find where we misplaced the passwords so we can get the other three wikis usable again (or even shut them down until we can). -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 01:16, 23 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::Yeah, I noticed that the other 3 sites were getting a hammering. Once we are in a position to get them active again, let me know, I'll try to help with the clean-up job where I can :-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 13:16, 27 December 2007 (UTC)<br />
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==Marspedia stuff==<br />
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===Putting Lunarpedia Main Page to Shame===<br />
Hi James, got a couple of questions for you...<br />
* I've had a few questions recently from contributors to Marspedia concerning our front page - generally newcomers don't like the format and find it text-heavy. Are admins able to change what is displayed on the front page? Or is there a specific reason for the generic look across Marspedia, Lunarpedia etc. Some suggestions include:<br />
** Adding a featured article (in a similar way to wikipedia).<br />
** Separating the copyright info to a different page (I wouldn't be happy with this, but would be happy with a re-formatting effort).<br />
** Cutting down on text and making it more obvious for newcomers as to what we are doing.<br />
* Is there a way for sysops to see who has registered with Marspedia?<br />
* Likewise, can users access a page with reference to the sysops/admin staff so they can quickly get assistence?<br />
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No rush with the questions, but thought it best to put past you first. At last we are getting a lot of contributions from some great sources! Cheers for your time, hope you are well. Ian --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:05, 18 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:As an admin you have the ability to do almost anything that can be done without server access, and that definitely includes changing the front page, which is only locked from general users because it's such a good target for attacks. If you have bureaucrat access, strike the 'almost' in the first sentence. Bureaucrats can turn people into admins and bureaucrats.<br />
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:I fully trust you to make useful changes to the front page. Just note that your innovations may be plagiarized for use on Lunarpedia, et al. 8)<br />
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:Who has accounts: go to the lower left corner and look at 'special pages' -- there's a mess of stuff there including a small number of special pages that only admins can go to. 'User List' isn't a restricted page -- you could go there as anonymous. Note that I know of no special means of sorting through that list, such as not showing banned accounts. You might want to look at http://mediawiki.org to see if you can find an extension that does what you're hoping to find that the simple list doesn't provide.<br />
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:Feel free to set up some sort of help request page. Again, this might be something to duplicate on other wikis.<br />
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:We should probably stop thanking each other, or that's going to eat up a large percentage of our time. 8)<br />
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:--[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 04:17, 18 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Lol, good stuff. Will have a play around and see what options we have for the front page. I'll probably be asking for advice when I get some time to commit to any big alterations to the front page. I'll try thinking up some nice gadgets useful to both Marspedia and Lunarpedia (plagiarize away!). Cheers ;-) -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 03:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Hey James, I've had a play with the front page of Marspedia and would be interested to hear your thoughts. In particular the new "featured articles" section. This is along the same vein as wikipedia, but I will need to develop this further as there will be future issues with automation of templates. None of it has been taken from Wikipedia as their templates and system is a nightmare. Better to start at the beginning ;-) Most of the text remains on the front page, but I've highlighted the important bits to improve understanding for newcomers. Cheers -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 08:55, 21 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:Your changes look beautiful.<br />
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:If you want to change the protection level go ahead. I didn't know that non-admins could make changes to the Marspedia main page -- usually we can't get away with that as the first non-admins to do so historically want to vandalize it or promote something highly dubious and not at all on topic. The klunky, too big, and too wordy copyright notice could probably handle quite a bit of tinkering -- maybe be made smaller and at the same time larger text? It's kind of important for people to have that information, but it does eat up too much room. I look forward to whatever changes you and the other Marspedia contributors can come up with. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 07:55, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks James, glad you are enjoying the progress... I'm just really happy that Marspedia has a small but dedicated group of contributors who are very motivated to add quality articles, given me the motivation to develop the site :) I will hold fire on changing the protection of the main page, but I will be keeping a close eye on what is added/changed. If there are signs of abuse, then I'll lock it down, but for now it seems OK. --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 19:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:::It won't be the regular contributors or even anyone capable of making a constructive contribution who will force you to lock it down. It will be people and scripts who have no interest in Marspedia other than as a place to add pagerank or similar to their highly dubious sites, typically selling certian prescription pharmaceuticals, tones for ringing telephones, online gaming services, and the like. In other words the sort of nonsense that presently constitutes most of the content for Exoplatz and Scientifiction.org right now. Hopefully Mike can get the passwords so I can at least lock down new account creation for awhile to contain further damage. --[[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 00:23, 27 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Keys Locked in Progress Module===<br />
Hi James, embarrassing problem here. I have blocked myself out of Marspedia. I didn't actually think I could do that! I try to unblock myself, it works, but then the wiki realises I was unblocked on a previously blocked IP address and locks me out again. Not entirely sure how i made the mistake, was just being too quick when blocking a spambot IP. Many thanks in advance. Will also message Mike D to see if he's near a computer. Happy Thanksgiving by the way. -- [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 04:13, 22 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
:Moral of this story? Be sure to have a buddy holding the keys for you when on walkabout ;) --[[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 20:21, 26 November 2007 (UTC)<br />
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===Featured Articles and stuff===<br />
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Hi James. Hope you're having a great start to the New Year!<br />
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I'm going to make a concerted effort to get this "Featured Articles" section on Marspedia fully up and running throughout 2008. I think the system I am using makes logical sense (template-driven) and it takes minimal effort to maintain. On your travels, if you come across any nicely written articles you think worthy of being featured on the front page of Marspedia can you nominate them? Instructions can be found via the front page. Will be good to get your view on how this is built :-) I'm hoping that little (useful!) gadgets like this will keep visitors coming back for more as our contributor retention is really bad at the moment (apart from a dedicated couple!).<br />
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Also, I've noticed a lot of 500 server errors of late, have you noticed any problems?<br />
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All the best, [[User:Ioneill|Ioneill]] 15:11, 2 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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== captcha installation ==<br />
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Hi James, can you please help with [[Marsp:User_talk:Ioneill#gibberish from bot net|this]]? --[[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 09:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)<br />
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Hi again, there are new bot attacks in both Lunarpedia and Marspedia, and I wonder whether it is less work to install the [[Marsp:Marspedia:Captcha|new captcha trigger]] or to revert the bot's edits over and over. As fas as I understand you are the only person keeping the passwords for php access. It should take only a few minutes to insert the <span style="background-color:#88FF88"> green parts</span>:<br />
# Logon to the machine where the wikimedia software is running.<br />
# Find the files ConfirmEdit.php, ConfirmEdit.i18n.php, ConfirmEdit_body.php.<br />
# Be sure the contents of the files match.<br />
# Create a backup copy of the files.<br />
# Insert the green parts using vi or prepare the files on your PC and ftp them.<br />
# Check the effect. If you try to change the first letter in a page a captcha should pop up on clicking the "save page" button.<br />
That should be all. You can count on my assistance, if needed. Cheers! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 10:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:Unfortunately, I ''don't'' have them. They're all in a text file on a hard drive that may be complete toast that can only run on a specific notebook of mine that may also be complete toast. [[User:Dcarson|Dana Carson]] and [[User:Mdelaney|Mike Delaney]] both have these passwords last I checked, however. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 10:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::I have left a message on their talk pages. You seem to have some doubt regarding the usefullness or the integrity of this captcha thing. If you are suspicious about me because I am not telling my real name I can understand this. Alteration of the software may put the whole system at risk, and I would not let an anonymous user do such a think, nor would I insert any code as long as I have the slightest doubt on its integrity. Reverting on the other hand is definitely safer, and is actually not so much work. Okay, I'm leaving the decision to you and will no longer nudge. Have a good weekend! -- [[User:Rfc|Rfc]] 13:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm not suspicious of you at all becouse of your anonymity. I'm very pro-anonymous here, thus my insistence on allowing minimal inconveniences for accountless anonymous contributions. The problem is that I don't have a lot of experience under the hood, and have'nt even had the passwords for when I've felt adventurous enough to try. As you can tell from my fumble yesterday, I can mess up when I'm too tired -- sorry about that. O_O Hopefully you haven't had residual effects from that, as Dr O'Neill had when he accidentally banned himself a couple of months ago (even after I unbanned him, he couldn't contribute without logging in).<br />
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:::Good news: Mike found the login information and got it to me and Dana. Trying your suggestion is in the queue, but there's a lot of stuff to deal with first -- you might easily guess what some of these other things are -- many are crises that have been getting worse and worse for months. 8\ Mike is starting with upgrading the wikis to a newer version of MediaWiki. -- [[User:Strangelv|Strangelv]] 04:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ok, all wikis updated from 1.10.1 to 1.11.0, all wikis now have captchas, all captcha extensions use the mod suggested by Rfc. Strangelv will not be happy with me, I have set the captchas as follows:<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true; // Would check on every edit<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create'] = true; // Check on page creation.<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl'] = true; // Check on edits that add URLs<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['gibberish'] = true; // Check gibberish<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true; // Special:Userlogin&type=signup<br />
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin'] = true; // Special:Userlogin after failure<br />
::::Remember, we still allow anonymous editing, as long as anon is willing to enter a few letters in a field.<br />
::::I haven't decided whether to go with a manual upgrade to 1.11.1 as this would not show up in the Dreamhost control panel. But I am '''not''' repeat '''not''' the only one capable of performing that update.<br />
::::-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 23:22, 9 February 2008 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Mdelaney&diff=10997User talk:Mdelaney2007-10-11T08:22:32Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Spambot concerns */</p>
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==== Ref tags ====<br />
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Thanks Mike. I didn't stop and make any templates because i needed to do some work in the garden while a little rascal was still asleep. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Mdelaney&diff=10996User talk:Mdelaney2007-10-11T08:20:39Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Spambot concerns */</p>
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All of the links are now in bold, and we can no longer see our watched pages on the recent changes page. Is there a way to get around this for pages and articles, but leave it as is for the top and side bars? -- [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 20:53, 7 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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There is, but it'll take me a while to dig through the CSS and find it. I never thought of that since I don't use Watched Pages. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 21:01, 7 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Ok, I've rolled back to a previous version of the css on Lunarpedia, that should work, now I just have to do the same in all the other wikis. Shouldn't take too long to do them, it's a small change. -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 02:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Thanks Mike. I didn't stop and make any templates because i needed to do some work in the garden while a little rascal was still asleep. [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 05:03, 8 April 2007 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Nitrous_Oxide&diff=10512Talk:Nitrous Oxide2007-08-20T03:14:49Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Chemical Formula */</p>
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Could organic contamination in a pipe (e.g. oil or soot) spontaneously<br />
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What else could spontaneously ignite or catalyze with NO at near room<br />
temperature ? [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 14:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
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I just read through the newer 2005 MSDS from Air Liquid ..... and it says that explosive decomposition can occur at temperatures below 300 degc when under pressure .... very nasty <br />
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Ref: http://encyclopedia.airliquide.com/sds/en/093A_AL_EN.pdf [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 14:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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Just checking, are we discussing Nitric Oxide (NO) or Nitrous Oxide (N<sub>2</sub>O) ?<br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:14, 20 August 2007 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Nitrous_Oxide&diff=10511Talk:Nitrous Oxide2007-08-20T03:14:15Z<p>Mdelaney: Chemical Formula</p>
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<div>==Questions:==<br />
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Could organic contamination in a pipe (e.g. oil or soot) spontaneously<br />
ignite under pressurized NO ?<br />
<br />
What else could spontaneously ignite or catalyze with NO at near room<br />
temperature ? [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 14:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:I now see different MSDS sheet say different things. <br />
<br />
I just read through the newer 2005 MSDS from Air Liquid ..... and it says that explosive decomposition can occur at temperatures below 300 degc when under pressure .... very nasty <br />
<br />
Ref: http://encyclopedia.airliquide.com/sds/en/093A_AL_EN.pdf [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 14:44, 2 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Chemical Formula ==<br />
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Just checking, are we discussing Nitric Oxide (NO) or Nitrous Oxide (N<sub>2</sub>O) ?</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Disempowering_Terrorists&diff=10509Talk:Disempowering Terrorists2007-08-19T12:55:44Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Terrorism and returning to the Moon */</p>
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<div>Please let me hear from you on these ideas.<br />
<br />
We are almost certainly about to change the political party in power in America. Our efforts to disempowering the terrorists may change radically. Out of box ideas like buy-in could save our nation. New approaches are desperately needed now.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 19:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
:I have some problems with this article.<br />
<br />
:My main problem is that while the title leads the reader to believe the article will address the subject of disempowering terrorists, the article doesn't actually address this topic at all. So the title is misleading.<br />
<br />
:My other problem, which is related to the above, is that as it stands the article is a fairly good essay on buy-in. I think it might be better to merge this article with the [[Buy-In_Explained]] article and have a subsection on disempowering terrorists.<br />
<br />
:The paragraph on disempowering terrorists doesn't actually explain how buy-in can be used to disempower them, only how buy-in is, perhaps, used to recruit and empower them.<br />
<br />
:To be honest, I am quite uncomfortable discussing the subject at all, but I suppose it needs to be addressed. I'm also really unsure about whether this is a suitable forum for the discussion of such topics. I would prefer to keep our subject matter specific to returning to, and settling/colonizing the Moon and this subject does not fit that description. It also crosses into other areas that are politically and militarily sensitive.<br />
<br />
:-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 15:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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== Terrorism and returning to the Moon ==<br />
<br />
<br />
If this article does not upset you, you simply have not been paying attention to our present reality.<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
One of the main reasons we do not now have an aggressive Return to the Moon program is the extremely high cost of the War on Terror. Not only are most of the available funds being used up but we are running up high debts what will last for decades.<br />
<br />
NASA is being cut back and the number of young people hired and trained is falling off. The period between the retirement of the Shuttle and the first lunar flights will particularly dangerous to our space fairing capabilities.<br />
<br />
For our return to the Moon, this war is the elephant in the pallor. If we do not address this problem, we are not going.<br />
<br />
An alternative to an endless war must be found. Understanding buy-in to enable disempowerment of terrorist is one possible path. It is one that can be understood and supported by technically trained people. It can be our contribution to this effort. And it is very, very cheap.<br />
<br />
-----<br />
<br />
Why this approach has a good chance of working is a little more technically and socially complicated. I will take the action item to write up an implementation section for this article next week.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 21:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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:First, I did not say the article upset me I said it made me uncomfortable but needed to be addressed, I didn't attack the subject, I mainly only said I had a problem with the title being misleading relative to the content and suggested merging it with the buy-in article. As an article on disempowerment it isn't very strong as it stood since most of the article was taken up by duplicating the explanation of buy-in that already exists in your other article. You seem to have a major problem with editorial criticism, but this is Lunarpedia, not Rileypedia :-)<br />
<br />
:Second, I'm very much aware of the current reality and in fact spent most of last week dealing with that current reality while traveling. I have no way of knowing how much of that ''reality'' is real and how much is hype though. Nor has anyone outside certain very elevated circles. I've even found that people working in anti terrorism don't know how much of their working knowledge is true, they just take it at face value and do their job. I know how that feels, I've had to deal with it too.<br />
<br />
:Third, the war on terror can really only be credited for lack of a return to the moon in the last 6 years. The previous 29 years were squandered on the cold war, the shuttle to nowhere, aborted space stations, gulf war 1, the vietnam war, fuel crises, iranian hostage crisis, bombing libya, star wars, lebanon, falklands, grenada, russian invasion of afghanistan, funding mujahedeen, iran contras, war on drugs etc. Basically governments (note the plural) have been getting in the way of space development for 60 years because they want to reserve it for military and use it as a sink for funding so they can take it away from space to give to other fields when they need to. In other words, NASA, the RSA in Russia and ESA have basically been getting in the way by virtue of keeping space as an exclusive club on behalf of their government sponsors. (ESA is a private corporation but is directly funded by European governments).<br />
<br />
:Fourth, many people have little or no faith in NASA returning to the moon because NASA is an arm of the US government which itself does not seem interested in anything other than raising revenue. There is also the element of corruption that exists within all governments worldwide. Representatives all over the world seem to do very well for themselves while in government, mostly by becoming high paid chairpersons of large corporations.<br />
<br />
:I personally do not see government or government agencies as the answer to our return to the moon problems. In fact government seems to be causing most of the everyday problems we have in the world today that are stifling growth in many areas.<br />
<br />
:-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 12:55, 19 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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I think the only terrorists this approach is likely to Disempower are the fairly well educated, fairly well off, which is the minority of the terrorists. <br />
<br />
The poor and disenfranchised are going to laugh in your face when you tell them they are going to fail. Their lives are so horrid that the only way out they can see is to earn rewards in the next life, and get there a little early. Since you cannot absolutely prove that they're wrong, you're not going to convince them. Or are you going to override the circuits for religion too?<br />
<br />
--[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 01:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
You are exactly correct. This approach is specifically for technically educated people. Technically educated people can fly airplanes into American buildings. The street poor can throw rocks and bottles in foreign slums. The damage technically educated people can do is exponentially higher than poor people.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 12:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
A poor person with a plane ticket funded by a rich fanatic could cause all kinds of havoc on arrival, especially if given various materials by an existing cell. Don't discount the poor true believers. <br />
<br />
--[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 15:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Disempowering_Terrorists&diff=10507Talk:Disempowering Terrorists2007-08-19T03:11:38Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Terrorism and returning to the Moon */</p>
<hr />
<div>Please let me hear from you on these ideas.<br />
<br />
We are almost certainly about to change the political party in power in America. Our efforts to disempowering the terrorists may change radically. Out of box ideas like buy-in could save our nation. New approaches are desperately needed now.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 19:24, 10 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
:I have some problems with this article.<br />
<br />
:My main problem is that while the title leads the reader to believe the article will address the subject of disempowering terrorists, the article doesn't actually address this topic at all. So the title is misleading.<br />
<br />
:My other problem, which is related to the above, is that as it stands the article is a fairly good essay on buy-in. I think it might be better to merge this article with the [[Buy-In_Explained]] article and have a subsection on disempowering terrorists.<br />
<br />
:The paragraph on disempowering terrorists doesn't actually explain how buy-in can be used to disempower them, only how buy-in is, perhaps, used to recruit and empower them.<br />
<br />
:To be honest, I am quite uncomfortable discussing the subject at all, but I suppose it needs to be addressed. I'm also really unsure about whether this is a suitable forum for the discussion of such topics. I would prefer to keep our subject matter specific to returning to, and settling/colonizing the Moon and this subject does not fit that description. It also crosses into other areas that are politically and militarily sensitive.<br />
<br />
:-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 15:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
== Terrorism and returning to the Moon ==<br />
<br />
<br />
If this article does not upset you, you simply have not been paying attention to our present reality.<br />
<br />
----<br />
<br />
One of the main reasons we do not now have an aggressive Return to the Moon program is the extremely high cost of the War on Terror. Not only are most of the available funds being used up but we are running up high debts what will last for decades.<br />
<br />
NASA is being cut back and the number of young people hired and trained is falling off. The period between the retirement of the Shuttle and the first lunar flights will particularly dangerous to our space fairing capabilities.<br />
<br />
For our return to the Moon, this war is the elephant in the pallor. If we do not address this problem, we are not going.<br />
<br />
An alternative to an endless war must be found. Understanding buy-in to enable disempowerment of terrorist is one possible path. It is one that can be understood and supported by technically trained people. It can be our contribution to this effort. And it is very, very cheap.<br />
<br />
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Why this approach has a good chance of working is a little more technically and socially complicated. I will take the action item to write up an implementation section for this article next week.<br />
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:First, I did not say the article upset me I said it made me uncomfortable but needed to be addressed, I didn't attack the subject, I mainly only said I had a problem with the title being misleading relative to the content and suggested merging it with the buy-in article. As an article on disempowerment it isn't very strong as it stands since most of the article is taken up by duplicating the explanation of buy-in that already exists in your other article. You seem to have a major problem with editorial criticism, but this is Lunarpedia, not Rileypedia :-)<br />
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:Second, I'm very much aware of the current reality and in fact spent most of last week dealing with that current reality while traveling. I have no way of knowing how much of that ''reality'' is real and how much is hype though. Nor has anyone outside certain very elevated circles. I've even found that people working in anti terrorism don't know how much of their working knowledge is true, they just take it at face value and do their job. I know how that feels, I've had to deal with it too.<br />
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:Third, the war on terror can really only be credited for lack of a return to the moon in the last 6 years. The previous 29 years were squandered on the cold war, the shuttle to nowhere, aborted space stations, gulf war 1, the vietnam war, fuel crises, iranian hostage crisis, bombing libya, star wars, lebanon, falklands, grenada, russian invasion of afghanistan, funding mujahedeen, iran contras, war on drugs etc. Basically governments (note the plural) have been getting in the way of space development for 60 years because they want to reserve it for military and use it as a sink for funding so they can take it away from space to give to other fields when they need to. In other words, NASA, the RSA in Russia and ESA have basically been getting in the way by virtue of keeping space as an exclusive club on behalf of their government sponsors. (ESA is a private corporation but is directly funded by European governments).<br />
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:Fourth, many people have little or no faith in NASA returning to the moon because NASA is an arm of the US government which itself does not seem interested in anything other than raising revenue. There is also the element of corruption that exists within all governments worldwide. Representatives all over the world seem to do very well for themselves while in government, mostly by becoming high paid chairpersons of large corporations.<br />
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:I personally do not see government or government agencies as the answer to our return to the moon problems. In fact government seems to be causing most of the everyday problems we have in the world today that are stifling growth in certain areas.<br />
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I think the only terrorists this approach is likely to Disempower are the fairly well educated, fairly well off, which is the minority of the terrorists. <br />
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The poor and disenfranchised are going to laugh in your face when you tell them they are going to fail. Their lives are so horrid that the only way out they can see is to earn rewards in the next life, and get there a little early. Since you cannot absolutely prove that they're wrong, you're not going to convince them. Or are you going to override the circuits for religion too?<br />
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--[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 01:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)<br />
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You are exactly correct. This approach is specifically for technically educated people. Technically educated people can fly airplanes into American buildings. The street poor can throw rocks and bottles in foreign slums. The damage technically educated people can do is exponentially higher than poor people.<br />
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A poor person with a plane ticket funded by a rich fanatic could cause all kinds of havoc on arrival, especially if given various materials by an existing cell. Don't discount the poor true believers. <br />
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--[[User:Miros1|Rose/Miros]] 15:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Disempowering_Terrorists&diff=10481Talk:Disempowering Terrorists2007-08-13T15:24:59Z<p>Mdelaney: </p>
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<div>Please let me hear from you on these ideas.<br />
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We are almost certainly about to change the political party in power in America. Our efforts to disempowering the terrorists may change radically. Out of box ideas like buy-in could save our nation. New approaches are desperately needed now.<br />
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:I have some problems with this article.<br />
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:My main problem is that while the title leads the reader to believe the article will address the subject of disempowering terrorists, the article doesn't actually address this topic at all. So the title is misleading.<br />
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:My other problem, which is related to the above, is that as it stands the article is a fairly good essay on buy-in. I think it might be better to merge this article with the [[Buy-In_Explained]] article and have a subsection on disempowering terrorists.<br />
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:The paragraph on disempowering terrorists doesn't actually explain how buy-in can be used to disempower them, only how buy-in is, perhaps, used to recruit and empower them.<br />
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:To be honest, I am quite uncomfortable discussing the subject at all, but I suppose it needs to be addressed. I'm also really unsure about whether this is a suitable forum for the discussion of such topics. I would prefer to keep our subject matter specific to returning to, and settling/colonizing the Moon and this subject does not fit that description. It also crosses into other areas that are politically and militarily sensitive.<br />
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addOnloadHook(initButtons);<br />
if(!wgIsArticle)// only if edit<br />
{ <br />
<br />
if(XEBPopups)hookEvent("load", extendButtons);<br />
}<br />
<br />
function initButtons(){<br />
<br />
var bc,d;<br />
<br />
if (typeof XEBOrder!='string') // can be modified<br />
XEBOrder2="A,B,D,C,D1,F,U,J1,E,G,Q,W,X,K,L,H,O,R,T,V,Y1,Y2,Z,AI,EXD,SPACE,LUNARP,MARSP,SF".split(",");<br />
else if (XEBOrder.toLowerCase()=='all') <br />
for (b in BDict) XEBOrder2.push(b);<br />
else XEBOrder2=XEBOrder.toUpperCase().split(",");<br />
<br />
for (b in BDict) BDict[b][0] = Isrc+BDict[b][0]; // // Add the start of the URL (Isrc) to the XEB buttons<br />
// If the user has defined any buttons then add them into the available button lists <br />
<br />
if (typeof myButtons=='object')<br />
for (b in myButtons) BDict[b] = myButtons[b]; // custom user buttons<br />
// Add the media wiki standard buttons into the available buttons <br />
<br />
for (b in mwEditButtons) { // add standard buttons for full XEB order changing<br />
<br />
// BDict[b]=[];<br />
BDict[b]=[mwEditButtons[b].imageFile,mwEditButtons[b].speedTip,mwEditButtons[b].tagOpen,mwEditButtons[b].tagClose,mwEditButtons[b].sampleText];<br />
<br />
// for (d in mwEditButtons[b]) BDict[b].push(mwEditButtons[b][d]);<br />
}<br />
<br />
// Build the new buttons <br />
<br />
for (i=0;i<XEBOrder2.length;i++) {<br />
bc = BDict[XEBOrder2[i]];<br />
<br />
//Check if bc is an object <br />
// - protects if user specified a non-existant buttons<br />
// - IE causes a javascript error when viewing a page<br />
if(typeof bc=='object')<br />
{<br />
<br />
//Call addCustomButton in wikibits<br />
addCustomButton(bc[0],bc[1],bc[2],bc[3],bc[4]);<br />
}<br />
}<br />
<br />
// Remove the default buttons (if requested by the user)<br />
eraseButtons();<br />
}<br />
<br />
<br />
/** en: Removes arbitrary standard buttons from the toolbar<br />
* @author: [[:de:User:Olliminatore]]<br />
* @version: 0.1 (01.10.2006) **/<br />
<br />
function eraseButtons(){<br />
<br />
//Remove the buttons the user doesn't want<br />
<br />
if(typeof rmEditButtons!='object') return;<br />
<br />
if (typeof rmEditButtons[0] == 'string' && rmEditButtons[0].toLowerCase() == 'all') <br />
{<br />
mwEditButtons=[];<br />
for(i=0;i<enExtraButtons;i++){mwCustomEditButtons.shift();}<br />
}<br />
//Sort the user's requests so we remove the button with the highest index first<br />
//- This ensures we remove the buttons the user expects whatever order he requested the buttons in<br />
rmEditButtons.sort(sortit);<br />
<br />
//Remove individual buttons the user doesn't want <br />
<br />
for(i=0;i<rmEditButtons.length;i++){<br />
var n=rmEditButtons[i];<br />
//Standard Wikimedia buttons<br />
if(n>=0 && n<mwEditButtons.length){<br />
if(n<mwEditButtons.length){<br />
var x = -1;<br />
while((++x)<mwEditButtons.length)<br />
if(x>=n)<br />
mwEditButtons[x] = mwEditButtons[x+1];<br />
}<br />
mwEditButtons.pop();<br />
}<br />
//Extra buttons in English Wikipedia<br />
n=n-mwEditButtons.length;<br />
if(n>0 && n<mwCustomEditButtons.length){<br />
if(n<mwCustomEditButtons.length){<br />
var x = -1;<br />
while((++x)<mwCustomEditButtons.length)<br />
if(x>=n)<br />
mwCustomEditButtons[x] = mwCustomEditButtons[x+1];<br />
}<br />
mwCustomEditButtons.pop();<br />
}<br />
}<br />
};<br />
<br />
//Function:<br />
// sortit<br />
//Purpose:<br />
// Used to sort the rmEditButtons array into descending order<br />
function sortit(a,b){<br />
return(b-a)<br />
}<br />
<br />
<br />
//Function:<br />
//Purpose:<br />
// Adds extended onclick-function to some buttons <br />
function extendButtons(){<br />
<br />
if(!(allEditButtons = document.getElementById('toolbar'))) return false;<br />
if(typeof editform != 'undefined')<br />
if(!(window.editform = document.forms['editform'])) return false;<br />
<br />
// table<br />
extendAButton(Isrc+"0/04/Button_array.png",XEBPopupTable)<br />
extendAButton(Isrc+"7/79/Button_reflink.png",XEBPopupRef)<br />
extendAButton(Isrc+"b/b8/Button_Globe.png",XEBPopupGeoLink)<br />
extendAButton(Isrc+"4/49/Button_talk.png",XEBPopupTalk)<br />
extendAButton(Isrc+"1/1c/Button_advanced_image.png",XEBPopupImage)<br />
//extendAButton(Isrc+"6/6a/Button_sup_letter.png",XEBPopupFormattedText)<br />
<br />
// redirect -##IE doesn't like this line. Object doesn't support this property or method<br />
//c=XEBOrder2.getIndex('V');<br />
<br />
// if(c != -1)<br />
// allEditButtons[bu_len+c].onclick=function(){<br />
// var a='#REDIRECT \[\['+prompt("Which page do you want to redirect to\?")+'\]\]';<br />
// document.editform.elements['wpTextbox1'].value=a;<br />
// document.editform.elements['wpSummary'].value=a;<br />
// document.editform.elements['wpWatchthis'].checked=false<br />
// };<br />
};<br />
<br />
function extendAButton(url,newfunc)<br />
{<br />
if(!(allEditButtons = document.getElementById('toolbar'))) return false;<br />
if(typeof editform != 'undefined')<br />
if(!(window.editform = document.forms['editform'])) return false;<br />
allEditButtons = allEditButtons.getElementsByTagName('img');<br />
for(i=0;i<allEditButtons.length;i++)<br />
{<br />
if(allEditButtons[i].src==url)<br />
{<br />
allEditButtons[i].onclick=newfunc;<br />
}<br />
}<br />
}<br />
<br />
//==========================================================================================================<br />
// General purpose popup code<br />
//==========================================================================================================<br />
<br />
function getXEBPopupDiv(name)<br />
{<br />
XEBMainDiv= document.getElementById("XEB");<br />
if(XEBMainDiv==null){<br />
XEBMainDiv=document.createElement("div");<br />
document.body.appendChild(XEBMainDiv);<br />
XEBMainDiv.id="XEB";<br />
}<br />
<br />
me= document.getElementById("XEBPopup" & name);<br />
if(!(me==null))return me;<br />
me=document.createElement("div");<br />
XEBMainDiv.appendChild(me);<br />
<br />
me.id="XEBPopup";<br />
me.style.position='absolute';<br />
me.display='none';<br />
me.visibility='hidden';<br />
me.onmouseout=CheckHideXEBPopup;<br />
me.onmouseover=cancelHidePopup;<br />
return me;<br />
}<br />
<br />
//Function:<br />
// CheckHideXEBPopup<br />
//Purpose:<br />
// Looks at the cursor position and if it has moved outside the popup it will close the popup<br />
//Called:<br />
// When the onMouseEvent is fired on the popup<br />
<br />
function CheckHideXEBPopup(e){<br />
m= document.getElementById("XEBmnu");<br />
if(is_gecko)<br />
{<br />
ph=m.offsetHeight;<br />
var x=e.clientX + window.scrollX;<br />
var y=e.clientY + window.scrollY;;<br />
s=window.getComputedStyle(m,"");<br />
ph=s.height;<br />
ph=Number(ph.substring(0,ph.length-2));<br />
}<br />
else<br />
{<br />
var x=event.clientX+ document.documentElement.scrollLeft + document.body.scrollLeft;<br />
var y=event.clientY+ document.documentElement.scrollTop + document.body.scrollTop;<br />
ph=m.offsetHeight;<br />
}<br />
pl=curPopup.x;<br />
pt=curPopup.y;<br />
pw=m.style.width;<br />
pw=Number(pw.substring(0,pw.length-2));<br />
<br />
if(x>(pl+2)&&x<(pl+pw-5)&&y>(pt+2)&&y<(pt+ph-5))return;<br />
curPopup.hideTimeout=setTimeout('hideXEBPopup()',XEBHideDelay*1000);<br />
}<br />
<br />
function cancelHidePopup()<br />
{<br />
clearTimeout(curPopup.hideTimeout)<br />
}<br />
<br />
function hideXEBPopup(){<br />
XEBMainDiv= document.getElementById("XEB");<br />
m= document.getElementById("XEBPopup");<br />
XEBMainDiv.removeChild(m);<br />
}<br />
<br />
function XEBstartDrag(e)<br />
{<br />
m=new GetPos(e||event);<br />
curPopup.startDrag.mouse=m;<br />
curPopup.startDrag.floatpopup.y=parseInt(curPopup.div.style.top);<br />
curPopup.startDrag.floatpopup.x=parseInt(curPopup.div.style.left);<br />
curPopup.dragging=true;<br />
}<br />
<br />
function XEBstopDrag(e)<br />
{<br />
if(curPopup.dragging==false)return;<br />
curPopup.dragging=false;<br />
}<br />
<br />
function XEBDrag(e)<br />
{<br />
if(curPopup.dragging==false)return;<br />
<br />
m=new GetPos(e||event);<br />
x=parseInt(curPopup.startDrag.floatpopup.x+(m.x-curPopup.startDrag.mouse.x));<br />
y=parseInt(curPopup.startDrag.floatpopup.y+(m.y-curPopup.startDrag.mouse.y));<br />
<br />
curPopup.div.style.top=y+"px";<br />
curPopup.div.style.left=x+"px";<br />
<br />
curPopup.x=x;<br />
curPopup.y=y;<br />
}<br />
<br />
//=============================================================================<br />
// Popup: Table<br />
//=============================================================================<br />
<br />
function XEBPopup(name,x,y)<br />
{<br />
// Make sure the popup can appear on the screen<br />
<br />
this.IESelectedRange=XEBgetIESelectedRange();<br />
<br />
winW=(is_gecko)?window.innerWidth:document.body.offsetWidth;<br />
if((winW-this.width)<x)x=(winW-this.width);<br />
<br />
this.div=getXEBPopupDiv(name);<br />
this.div.style.zIndex=2000;<br />
this.div.display="inline";<br />
this.div.visibility="visible";<br />
this.div.style.top=y + "px";<br />
this.x=x;<br />
this.y=y;<br />
this.name=name;<br />
<br />
this.startDrag=new Object;<br />
this.startDrag.floatpopup=new Object;<br />
}<br />
<br />
function setInnerHTML(text)<br />
{<br />
winW=(is_gecko)?window.innerWidth:document.body.offsetWidth;<br />
if((winW-this.width)<this.x)this.x=(winW-this.width);<br />
this.div.style.left=this.x+ "px";<br />
<br />
mt="<div id='XEBmnu' style='width:" + this.width + "px' >";<br />
mt+='<div id="XEBmnuTitle" class="XEBPopupTitle" onmousedown="XEBstartDrag(event)" onmouseup="XEBstopDrag(event)" onmousemove="XEBDrag(event)">Title</div>'<br />
mt+=text;<br />
mt+="</div>";<br />
this.div.innerHTML=mt;<br />
//Turn off autocomplete. If the mouse moves over the autocomplete popup then x,y in CheckHidePopup is relative to the<br />
// autocomplete popup and our popup is hidden<br />
var InTexts = this.div.getElementsByTagName('input');<br />
for (var i = 0; i < InTexts.length; i++) {<br />
var theInput = InTexts[i];<br />
if (theInput.type == 'text'){theInput.setAttribute('autocomplete','off');}<br />
}<br />
//Add rollover features to menu items. Doing it here means we don't have to do it for each menu<br />
x=XEBgetElementsByClassName(this.div,'XEBMnuItm','span');<br />
for (var i = 0; i < x.length; i++) {<br />
var theItm = x[i];<br />
theItm.onmouseout=XEBMenuMouseOut;<br />
theItm.onmouseover=XEBMenuMouseOver;<br />
}<br />
<br />
this.div.style.borderWidth='thin';<br />
this.div.style.borderStyle='solid';<br />
this.div.style.backgroundColor='#D0D0D0';<br />
}<br />
XEBPopup.prototype.width=250;<br />
XEBPopup.prototype.dragging=false;<br />
XEBPopup.prototype.setInnerHTML=setInnerHTML;<br />
<br />
var curPopup;<br />
<br />
function GetPos(e)<br />
{<br />
this.x=e.clientX-10+ document.documentElement.scrollLeft + document.body.scrollLeft;<br />
this.y=e.clientY-10+ document.documentElement.scrollTop + document.body.scrollTop;<br />
}<br />
<br />
function XEBPopupTable(e){<br />
m=new GetPos(e||event);<br />
<br />
curPopup=new XEBPopup("table",m.x,m.y);<br />
<br />
mt='<p>Enter the table parameters below: <\/p>'<br />
+'<form name="XEBPopupTableForm">'<br />
+'Table caption: <input type="checkbox" name="inputCaption"><p\/>'<br />
+'Table alignment: center<input type="checkbox" name="inputAlign"><p\/>'<br />
+'Table headline: colored<input type="checkbox" name="inputHead"><p\/>'<br />
+'Number of rows: <input type="text" name="inputRow" value="3" size="2"><p\/>'<br />
+'Number of columns: <input type="text" name="inputCol" value="3" size="2"><p\/>'<br />
//+'Alternating grey lines: <input type="checkbox" name="inputLine" checked="1" ><p\/>'<br />
+'Item column: <input type="checkbox" name="inputItems" ><p\/>'<br />
+'Sortable: <input type="checkbox" name="inputSort" ><p\/>'<br />
+'<\/form>'<br />
+'<i>The default table allows for fields and values only.<\/i><p\/>'<br />
+'Check "Item column" to allow for the table to have fields, items, and values.<\/i><p\/>'<br />
+'<p><button onClick="javascript:insertTableCode()">Insert</button>'<br />
+'<button onClick="hideXEBPopup()">Cancel</button>'<br />
<br />
curPopup.setInnerHTML(mt);<br />
<br />
return true;<br />
}<br />
<br />
function insertTableCode(){<br />
f=document.XEBPopupTableForm;<br />
var caption = (f.inputCaption.checked)?"|+ TABLE CAPTION \n":""; <br />
var exhead = (f.inputHead.checked)?'|- style="background: #DDFFDD;"\n':""; <br />
var nbRow = parseInt(f.inputRow.value); <br />
var nbCol = parseInt(f.inputCol.value); <br />
var exfield = f.inputItems.checked; <br />
var align = (f.inputAlign.checked)?'align="center"':""; <br />
<br />
//generateTable(caption, exhead, nbCol, nbRow, exfield, align);<br />
<br />
var code = "\n";<br />
code += '{| {{prettytable}} ' + align + ' '; // en: class="wikitable"<br />
code+=(f.inputSort.checked)?'class="sortable" \n':'\n';<br />
code += caption + exhead;<br />
if (exfield) code += '!\n';<br />
for (i=1;i<nbCol+1;i++) code += '! FELD ' + i + '\n';<br />
var items = 0;<br />
for (var j=0;j<nbRow;j++){<br />
if (exfield) { <br />
items++;<br />
code += '|-\n! style="background: #FFDDDD;"|ITEM ' + items + '\n';<br />
} else code += '|-\n';<br />
for (i=0;i<nbCol;i++) code += '| Element\n';<br />
}<br />
code += '|}\n';<br />
hideXEBPopup();<br />
insertTags('','', code);<br />
extendSummary('table');<br />
<br />
return false;<br />
} <br />
<br />
// Get the text currently selected by user in the textAra<br />
// This code is based on part of the insertTags function in wikibits.js<br />
<br />
function XEBGetSelectedText()<br />
{<br />
var txtarea;<br />
if (document.editform) {<br />
txtarea = document.editform.wpTextbox1;<br />
} else {<br />
// some alternate form? take the first one we can find<br />
var areas = document.getElementsByTagName('textarea');<br />
<br />
txtarea = areas[0];<br />
}<br />
// IE & Opera<br />
if (document.selection && !is_gecko)<br />
{<br />
var theSelection = document.selection.createRange().text;<br />
if (!theSelection) theSelection='';<br />
}<br />
// Mozilla<br />
else if(txtarea.selectionStart || txtarea.selectionStart == '0') {<br />
var replaced = false;<br />
var startPos = txtarea.selectionStart;<br />
var endPos = txtarea.selectionEnd;<br />
var theSelection = (txtarea.value).substring(startPos, endPos);<br />
if (!theSelection) theSelection='';<br />
}<br />
return theSelection;<br />
}<br />
<br />
//Notes:<br />
// IE loses the cursor position in the textarea when the popup is used. <br />
// So we save the cursor position here<br />
function XEBgetIESelectedRange(){<br />
var IESel=new Object;<br />
var txtarea;<br />
if (document.editform) {<br />
txtarea = document.editform.wpTextbox1;<br />
} else {<br />
// some alternate form? take the first one we can find<br />
var areas = document.getElementsByTagName('textarea');<br />
<br />
txtarea = areas[0];<br />
}<br />
// IE & Opera<br />
<br />
if (document.selection && !is_gecko)<br />
{<br />
txtarea.focus();<br />
IESel.Rng=document.selection.createRange();<br />
return IESel;<br />
}<br />
}<br />
<br />
function XEBinsertText(beforeText,selText,afterText,IESelectedRange) {<br />
var newText=beforeText + selText + afterText;<br />
var txtarea;<br />
if (document.editform) {<br />
txtarea = document.editform.wpTextbox1;<br />
} else {<br />
// some alternate form? take the first one we can find<br />
var areas = document.getElementsByTagName('textarea');<br />
txtarea = areas[0];<br />
}<br />
<br />
// IE<br />
if (document.selection && !is_gecko) {<br />
<br />
tr=IESelectedRange.Rng;<br />
tr.text=newText;<br />
txtarea.focus();<br />
//txtarea.caretpos=tr.duplicate();<br />
tr.select();<br />
<br />
return;<br />
<br />
// Mozilla<br />
} else if(txtarea.selectionStart || txtarea.selectionStart == '0') {<br />
var replaced = false;<br />
var startPos = txtarea.selectionStart;<br />
var endPos = txtarea.selectionEnd;<br />
<br />
if (endPos-startPos) {<br />
replaced = true;<br />
}<br />
var scrollTop = txtarea.scrollTop;<br />
// var myText = (txtarea.value).substring(startPos, endPos);<br />
// if (!myText) {<br />
// myText=sampleText;<br />
// }<br />
// if (myText.charAt(myText.length - 1) == " ") { // exclude ending space char, if any<br />
// subst = tagOpen + myText.substring(0, (myText.length - 1)) + tagClose + " ";<br />
// } else {<br />
// subst = tagOpen + myText + tagClose;<br />
// }<br />
txtarea.value = txtarea.value.substring(0, startPos) + newText +<br />
txtarea.value.substring(endPos, txtarea.value.length);<br />
txtarea.focus();<br />
//set new selection<br />
if (!replaced) {<br />
var cPos = startPos+(newText.length);<br />
txtarea.selectionStart = cPos;<br />
txtarea.selectionEnd = cPos;<br />
} else {<br />
txtarea.selectionStart = startPos+beforeText.length;<br />
txtarea.selectionEnd = startPos+beforeText.length+selText.length;<br />
}<br />
txtarea.scrollTop = scrollTop;<br />
<br />
// All other browsers get no toolbar.<br />
// There was previously support for a crippled "help"<br />
// bar, but that caused more problems than it solved.<br />
}<br />
// reposition cursor if possible<br />
if (txtarea.createTextRange) {<br />
<br />
txtarea.caretPos = document.selection.createRange().duplicate();<br />
//txtarea.caretPos =IESelectedRange.Rng;<br />
}<br />
txtarea.focus();<br />
}<br />
<br />
<br />
//============================================================<br />
// Table generator <br />
//============================================================<br />
/** en: Generate an array using Mediawiki syntax<br />
* @author: originally from fr:user:dake<br />
* @version: 0.2 */<br />
function generateTable(caption, exhead, nbCol, nbRow, exfield, align){<br />
<br />
};<br />
<br />
<br />
function XEBPopupRef(e){<br />
<br />
m=new GetPos(e||event);<br />
<br />
curPopup=new XEBPopup("ref",m.x,m.y);<br />
curPopup.width=500;<br />
mt='<p>Enter the reference parameters below: <\/p>'<br />
+'<form name="XEBPopupRefForm">'<br />
+'Name:<input type="text" name="refName" value="" size="10"><p\/>'<br />
+'Material:<input type="text" name="refMaterial" value="' + XEBGetSelectedText() + '" size="20">'<br />
+'<\/form>'<br />
+'<p><button onClick="javascript:insertRef()">Insert</button>'<br />
+'<button onClick="hideXEBPopup()">Cancel</button>';<br />
<br />
curPopup.setInnerHTML(mt);<br />
// document.XEBPopupRefForm.refName.focus();<br />
return true;<br />
}<br />
<br />
function insertRef(){<br />
f=document.XEBPopupRefForm;<br />
var refName = f.refName.value;<br />
var refMaterial=f.refMaterial.value;<br />
<br />
hideXEBPopup();<br />
var code1='<ref';<br />
code1+=(refName)?' name="'+refName+'">':'>'; <br />
code2=refMaterial;<br />
code3='<\/ref>'<br />
XEBinsertText(code1,code2,code3,curPopup.IESelectedRange);<br />
<br />
extendSummary('ref');<br />
return false;<br />
} <br />
<br />
//===GEO LINK Function==================================================<br />
<br />
function XEBPopupGeoLink(e)<br />
{<br />
m=new GetPos(e||event);<br />
<br />
curPopup=new XEBPopup("geo",m.x,m.y);<br />
curPopup.width=300;<br />
mt='<p>Enter the location parameters below: <\/p>'<br />
+'<form name="XEBPopupGeoLinkForm">'<br />
+'Loction:<p\/>'<br />
+'<table style="background: transparent;">'<br />
+'<tr><td>Latitude:<\/td><td><input type="text" autocomplete="off" name="geoLatDeg" value="" size="4"><\/td>'<br />
+'<td><input type="text" name="geoLatMin" size="4"><\/td>'<br />
+'<td><input type="text" name="geoLatSec" size="4"><\/td>'<br />
+'<td><select name="geoLatNS"><option value="N">N<option value="S">S</select><\/td><\/tr>'<br />
+'<tr><td>Longitude:<\/td><td><input type="text" name="geoLonDeg" value="" size="4"><\/td>'<br />
+'<td><input type="text" name="geoLonMin" value="" size="4"><\/td>'<br />
+'<td><input type="text" name="geoLonSec" value="" size="4"><\/td>'<br />
+'<td><select name="geoLonEW"><option value="E">E<option value="W">W</select><\/td><\/tr>'<br />
+'<\/table>'<br />
+'Region:<input type="text" name="geoRegion" value="" size="4"><p\/>'<br />
+'Type:'<br />
+'<SELECT NAME="geoType" size="5">'<br />
+'<OPTION VALUE="country">Country<OPTION VALUE="state">State'<br />
+'<OPTION VALUE="adm1st">Admin unit, 1st level<OPTION VALUE="adm2st">Admin unit, 2nd level'<br />
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//</pre><br />
<br />
<br />
// install [[User:Cacycle/wikEd]] in-browser text editor<br />
document.write('<script type="text/javascript" src="'<br />
+ 'http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Cacycle/wikEd.js'<br />
+ '&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript"></' + 'script>');</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Help_talk:Contents&diff=9896Help talk:Contents2007-06-09T21:48:34Z<p>Mdelaney: /* Dififculty Editing */</p>
<hr />
<div>==Dififculty Editing== <br />
<br />
Help request from Arthur Smith: <br />
<br />
From: Arthur Smith <br />
Sent: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 6:40 am <br />
<br />
I have a problem with lunarpedia - I was trying to create a new <br />
article (on Paul javascript:showSuggestions("2",this);>Spudis) for the first time, and something in the <br />
javascript on the page seems to be preventing me from inserting any <br />
text in the big text box. None of the buttons do anything either. I can <br />
work on existing pages ok, but I don't seem to be able to insert <br />
anything on a new page. <br />
<br />
This is with Firefox 2.0.0.4 for Mac OS X. Any suggestions? <br />
<br />
Arthur (forwarded by: [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 15:09, 8 June 2007 (UTC) ) <br />
<br />
:Charles - thanks. I figured out a way to get it to work - click on the "Toggle the fullscreen mode" button in the upper right corner, and I can edit the text box for a new page when it's in "full screen" mode. But shrink back to regular mode before I've entered anything in the box, and I can't edit it still. <br />
<br />
:Tom Riley [[User:Jriley]] Dear Author, Lunapedia now has two levels of editing, complex and simple. Only the simple editer lets you paste outside text. There is a icon to switch between the modes. It looks a little like a piece of paper and is toward the end of the bar. This little trick cost be about an hour to puzzle out. <br />
<br />
:javascript:showSuggestions("12",this);>MikeD says, "they can always click on the icon and disable one of the javascript editors, and just use the regular toolbar" <br />
<br />
:Also, please note that the server can be slow to load all the features, so sometimes if you wait a few more seconds it might help.[[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 13:32, 9 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::Actually, the fancy javascript editor loads almost everything from wikipedia, that's the way the author wanted it, and given the dependencies I'll either leave it that way or remove it altogether. The extended toolbar with the blue icons does almost as much and it's all on our own server.<br />
<br />
::I believe for the fancy editor to work you have to have javascript enabled for wikipedia in addition to lunarpedia.<br />
<br />
::Sorry about time lost guys. I guess I couldn't see the issues as I was far too close to it all. In fact that's part of the reason I've been keeping away from websites for a week or two, I'm kind of burned out on them after setting up 5 wikis and working on the Moon Society main page. (You might not see the differences in that page, but the maintainers do!)<br />
::-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 21:48, 9 June 2007 (UTC)<br />
<br />
==Other Tips and Tricks==</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Politics_of_Science_Fiction&diff=9567Talk:Politics of Science Fiction2007-05-26T13:20:35Z<p>Mdelaney: /* You do not edit other people's work, fiction or non-fiction, to change the perceived political slant. */</p>
<hr />
<div>Thank you for your edit. I would like you to consider a couple ideas:<br />
<br />
'''First''', although politics is usually discussed as a line with a left and a right, it is really a circle. If you go far enough left, you reach the right. If you go far enough right, you reach the left. A great many people make this trip through their lives. <br />
<br />
The backside bridge is the space in which the libertarians live. It is a wonderful space of great power. Both sides claim them and both sides treat them as traders. They close a gap that turns out not even to exist.<br />
<br />
'''Second''', the American people, who we wish to pay for our lunar settlement one way or another, form a bell curve centered on the political line. Some times the center is a little to the left and sometimes it is a little to the right, but it does not move either way more than a percentage point or two.<br />
<br />
What it does not do is split into two peaks. Amazing it did not even split at the peak of the great depression. It certainly did not split over the war in Southeast Asia. I as in the streets for that one.<br />
<br />
You can argue that the bell may be a bit wide at times, or that the tails are fat, but the peak of the bell never splits.<br />
<br />
Now the talk show commentators are split, the politicians are split, and the radio jocks are split. Who cares? What counts are the American people, and they are one of the most amazingly consistent groups in human history. This is amazing and you forget it at your own peril.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 15:29, 5 March 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
-----<br />
<br />
== You do not edit other people's work, fiction or non-fiction, to change the perceived political slant. ==<br />
<br />
The above line, rather than discouraging editing will likely encourage it. Especially as the whole point of a wiki is the ability for anyone to edit the page. Furthermore it is worded in a manner that makes it seem like Lunarpedia policy, which it is most certainly not.<br />
<br />
Any strong political bias runs counter to the desires of quite a lot of people, I can assure you that many of us want the development of the moon to be as apolitical as possible. If it is not, then the results will be disastrous at some stage in the future.<br />
<br />
Just as an example, some possible outcomes of politicizing Lunar development:<br />
:1. US .gov development. That might just not happen at all as space is a political football. If it does happen, then a sizable number of nations around the world may feel threatened.<br />
:2. Chinese communist development. The US and much of the western world may feel threatened.<br />
:3. Russian neo-communist development. The US and much of the western world may feel threatened.<br />
:4. European social-democrat development. The communists and the US will feel like they've been stabbed in the back.<br />
:5. Corporate development, all the communists will be upset.<br />
:6. Any of the above, the muslims are likely to be very upset.<br />
:7. In all cases, ecologists & greens will be upset.<br />
:8. In at least three of the above cases, the moon would likely be closed to private enterprise forever as developments would be in the hands of military types.<br />
:9. Some of the above could lead to war in the future. Possibly the same three referred to in #8.<br />
<br />
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 13:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)</div>Mdelaneyhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Politics_of_Science_Fiction&diff=9561Talk:Politics of Science Fiction2007-05-26T13:05:14Z<p>Mdelaney: You do not edit other people's work, fiction or non-fiction, to change the perceived political slant.</p>
<hr />
<div>Thank you for your edit. I would like you to consider a couple ideas:<br />
<br />
'''First''', although politics is usually discussed as a line with a left and a right, it is really a circle. If you go far enough left, you reach the right. If you go far enough right, you reach the left. A great many people make this trip through their lives. <br />
<br />
The backside bridge is the space in which the libertarians live. It is a wonderful space of great power. Both sides claim them and both sides treat them as traders. They close a gap that turns out not even to exist.<br />
<br />
'''Second''', the American people, who we wish to pay for our lunar settlement one way or another, form a bell curve centered on the political line. Some times the center is a little to the left and sometimes it is a little to the right, but it does not move either way more than a percentage point or two.<br />
<br />
What it does not do is split into two peaks. Amazing it did not even split at the peak of the great depression. It certainly did not split over the war in Southeast Asia. I as in the streets for that one.<br />
<br />
You can argue that the bell may be a bit wide at times, or that the tails are fat, but the peak of the bell never splits.<br />
<br />
Now the talk show commentators are split, the politicians are split, and the radio jocks are split. Who cares? What counts are the American people, and they are one of the most amazingly consistent groups in human history. This is amazing and you forget it at your own peril.<br />
<br />
--[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 15:29, 5 March 2007 (PST)<br />
<br />
-----<br />
<br />
== You do not edit other people's work, fiction or non-fiction, to change the perceived political slant. ==<br />
<br />
The above line, rather than discouraging editing will likely encourage it. Especially as the whole point of a wiki is the ability for anyone to edit the page. Furthermore it is worded in a manner that makes it seem like Lunarpedia policy, which it is most certainly not.<br />
<br />
Any strong political bias runs counter to the desires of quite a lot of people, I can assure you that many of us want the development of the moon to be as apolitical as possible. If it is not, then the results will be disastrous at some stage in the future.<br />
<br />
Just as an example, some possible outcomes of politicizing Lunar development:<br />
:1. US .gov development. That might just not happen at all as space is a political football. If it does happen, then a sizable number of nations around the world may feel threatened.<br />
:2. Chinese communist development. The US and much of the western world may feel threatened.<br />
:3. Russian neo-communist development. The US and much of the western world may feel threatened.<br />
:4. European social-democrat development. The communists and the US will feel like they've been stabbed in the back.<br />
:5. Corporate development, all the communists will be upset.<br />
:6. Any of the above, the muslims are likely to be very upset.<br />
:7. In all cases, ecologists & greens will be upset.<br />
<br />
Damned if you do, damned if you don't.<br />
<br />
-- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 13:05, 26 May 2007 (UTC)</div>Mdelaney