Talk:Sandworms - Revision history

T.Neo at 07:39, 11 August 2008

2008-08-11T07:39:00Z

Jarogers2001: /* Cutting head vs. scoop */

2008-08-10T12:51:22Z

Cutting head vs. scoop

Jarogers2001 at 12:40, 10 August 2008

2008-08-10T12:40:44Z

Jarogers2001: /* Cutting head vs. scoop */

2008-08-10T12:39:20Z

Cutting head vs. scoop

T.Neo: /* Cutting head vs. scoop */

2008-08-10T10:09:04Z

Cutting head vs. scoop

Jarogers2001: /* Cutting head vs. scoop */

2008-08-09T15:30:51Z

Cutting head vs. scoop

T.Neo: New section: Cutting head vs. scoop

2008-08-09T12:21:23Z

New section: Cutting head vs. scoop

Jarogers2001 at 04:07, 1 August 2008

2008-08-01T04:07:35Z

T.Neo at 10:18, 31 July 2008

2008-07-31T10:18:29Z

Jriley: definding the name

2007-04-25T16:43:08Z

definding the name

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	:I don't see any advantage in using a boring/cutting head for surface processes, but the effectiveness of both should be investigated to see which method requires more power and which holds up better to [[JSC-1]]. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)		:I don't see any advantage in using a boring/cutting head for surface processes, but the effectiveness of both should be investigated to see which method requires more power and which holds up better to [[JSC-1]]. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	:Looks like its time for me to make that JSC-1 article. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)		:Looks like its time for me to make that JSC-1 article. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
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		+	A scoop is a passive system, whereas the cutting head needs power to operate. My logic is that solar implanted volatiles like He3 are in the top layers of soil. This soil is loosly packed and fine. A scoop could scoop up these few upper centimeters. Any large stones would be sieved out. I think, unfortunatly, that the most effective way of preventing volatile escape during the heating process is to dump the regolith into a hopper, seal the hopper off, heat the regolith, remove the volatiles, and dump the regolith out the back, then repeat. I know this will not be continuous, but I find it the most sensible way to prevent volatile escape. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 07:39, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

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	Cutting head. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 10:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)		Cutting head. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 10:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
	:I don't see any advantage in using a boring/cutting head for surface processes, but the effectiveness of both should be investigated to see which method requires more power and which holds up better to [[JSC-1]]. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)		:I don't see any advantage in using a boring/cutting head for surface processes, but the effectiveness of both should be investigated to see which method requires more power and which holds up better to [[JSC-1]]. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
		+	:Looks like its time for me to make that JSC-1 article. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:51, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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 Cutting head. [[User:T.Neo|T.Neo]] 10:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 :I don't see any advantage in using a boring/cutting head for surface processes, but the effectiveness of both should be investigated to see which method requires more power and which holds up better to [[JSC-1]]. - [[User:Jarogers2001|Jarogers2001]] 12:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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	Cutting head. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 10:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)		Cutting head. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 10:09, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
		+	:I don't see any advantage in using a boring/cutting head for surface processes, but the effectiveness of both should be investigated to see which method requires more power and which holds up better to [[JSC-1]]. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 12:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

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	What is the advantage of a cutting head over a scoop that scoops up the upper layers of dust? The cutting head loooks like it would use up a horrible amount of power. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 12:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)		What is the advantage of a cutting head over a scoop that scoops up the upper layers of dust? The cutting head loooks like it would use up a horrible amount of power. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 12:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
	:Please explain what you mean by "cutting head." - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 15:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)		:Please explain what you mean by "cutting head." - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 15:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
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	What is the advantage of a cutting head over a scoop that scoops up the upper layers of dust? The cutting head loooks like it would use up a horrible amount of power. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 12:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)		What is the advantage of a cutting head over a scoop that scoops up the upper layers of dust? The cutting head loooks like it would use up a horrible amount of power. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 12:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
		+	:Please explain what you mean by "cutting head." - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 15:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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	A smaller harvester utilizing [[ilmenite reduction]] can be found [http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4215081.html here]. Looks like a miniature version of a mining processor and reminds me of Ed McCullough's presentation at ISDC07 on the AIAA Shackleton study. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 04:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)		A smaller harvester utilizing [[ilmenite reduction]] can be found [http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4215081.html here]. Looks like a miniature version of a mining processor and reminds me of Ed McCullough's presentation at ISDC07 on the AIAA Shackleton study. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 04:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
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		+	What is the advantage of a cutting head over a scoop that scoops up the upper layers of dust? The cutting head loooks like it would use up a horrible amount of power. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 12:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

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	I don't have a problem with the name, I am not familiar to the Dune books at all, But this thing reminds me of how Earthworms digest food. Maybe we could tone down the Dune referances, otherwise it is fine. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 10:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)		I don't have a problem with the name, I am not familiar to the Dune books at all, But this thing reminds me of how Earthworms digest food. Maybe we could tone down the Dune referances, otherwise it is fine. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 10:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
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		+	A smaller harvester utilizing [[ilmenite reduction]] can be found [http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4215081.html here]. Looks like a miniature version of a mining processor and reminds me of Ed McCullough's presentation at ISDC07 on the AIAA Shackleton study. - [[User:Jarogers2001\|Jarogers2001]] 04:07, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

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		+	I don't have a problem with the name, I am not familiar to the Dune books at all, But this thing reminds me of how Earthworms digest food. Maybe we could tone down the Dune referances, otherwise it is fine. [[User:T.Neo\|T.Neo]] 10:18, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

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	:I fear the name is confusing. In Herbert's science fiction series, sandworms are desert-dwelling creatures. But they do not collect spice; they (sandtrout, the haploid form) create it. Eventually by-products of the production build up and explode in a spice blow that releases the spice onto the surface of the desert. The confusion comes from the existence in the Dune universe of large harvesting machines, much like those described here, '''which are not called sandworms'''. I wish I had a good alternate suggestion for you! [[User:Sdsds\|Sdsds]] 03:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)		:I fear the name is confusing. In Herbert's science fiction series, sandworms are desert-dwelling creatures. But they do not collect spice; they (sandtrout, the haploid form) create it. Eventually by-products of the production build up and explode in a spice blow that releases the spice onto the surface of the desert. The confusion comes from the existence in the Dune universe of large harvesting machines, much like those described here, '''which are not called sandworms'''. I wish I had a good alternate suggestion for you! [[User:Sdsds\|Sdsds]] 03:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
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		+	Yes, calling this machine a harvester would be more correct, but not as much fun.
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		+	I have added a sketch of the cutting head at the end to show the three fold rows of large, sharp, hard teeth. I think that this type of front end, which is common for such machines on Earth, would justify calling the manchine a Sandworm.
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		+	--[[User:Jriley\|Jriley]] 16:43, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
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