Difference between revisions of "Talk:Lunar Bill of Rights"
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| − | '''Have your say here''' | + | '''Have your say here''' |
| − | If this article does not start a lively conversation, nothing will. | + | If this article does not start a lively conversation, nothing will. |
| − | --[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 07:58, 17 March 2007 (PDT) | + | --[[User:Jriley|Jriley]] 07:58, 17 March 2007 (PDT) |
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| − | I know it will :-) Hehe! | + | I know it will :-) Hehe! |
| − | Let me start the ball rolling: | + | Let me start the ball rolling: |
| − | :I fully support the right to keep and bear arms. I also fully support the right to defend your person, home, property or family against attackers, intruders, burglars and thieves. | + | :I fully support the right to keep and bear arms. I also fully support the right to defend your person, home, property or family against attackers, intruders, burglars and thieves. |
| − | :I would be against allowing conventional ammunition for civilian use due to the danger it would pose to the pressure vessel. But there are special types of ammunition available. | + | :I would be against allowing conventional ammunition for civilian use due to the danger it would pose to the pressure vessel. But there are special types of ammunition available. |
| − | :In the early days, there will not be much need for law enforcement or even self defense, but as the settlements grow things might change somewhat. But this is not the wild west we're talking about, this will be a very tightly sealed environment, and there are no animals to hunt or defend ourselves from. So I must ask the question "Will civilian held guns be necessary at all?". | + | :In the early days, there will not be much need for law enforcement or even self defense, but as the settlements grow things might change somewhat. But this is not the wild west we're talking about, this will be a very tightly sealed environment, and there are no animals to hunt or defend ourselves from. So I must ask the question "Will civilian held guns be necessary at all?". |
| − | :In answer to that I have to look at countries where guns are illegal and theoretically unobtainable. In a number of those countries, only the criminals (and a few police) have guns. Interestingly, gun crime is on the rise in those countries. | + | :In answer to that I have to look at countries where guns are illegal and theoretically unobtainable. In a number of those countries, only the criminals (and a few police) have guns. Interestingly, gun crime is on the rise in those countries. |
| − | -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:27, 04 April 2007 (BST) | + | -- [[User:Mdelaney|Mdelaney]] 03:27, 04 April 2007 (BST) |
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| + | ==Lunar citizens versus Flags of Convenience== | ||
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| + | So which will it be, Lunar citizens or Flags of Convenience? We do not need both. If the Moon is a nation-state, then it will have jurisdiction, and flags of convenience will not apply. On the other hand, if the Moon is an international entity governed jointly by, say the United Nations, then there will be no such thing as a lunar citizens, all humans on the Moon will be citizens of one or more terrestrial countries, and the Moon will be covered with flags of convenience. So which is it? If the Moon is not a nation state, then the bill of rights means nothing, all persons will be governed by the laws of their home country and the United Nations treaties of 1967 and 1979 etc. | ||
| + | [[User:Cfrjlr|Charles F. Radley]] 19:47, 3 April 2007 (PDT) | ||
Revision as of 18:47, 3 April 2007
Have your say here
If this article does not start a lively conversation, nothing will.
--Jriley 07:58, 17 March 2007 (PDT)
I know it will :-) Hehe!
Let me start the ball rolling:
- I fully support the right to keep and bear arms. I also fully support the right to defend your person, home, property or family against attackers, intruders, burglars and thieves.
- I would be against allowing conventional ammunition for civilian use due to the danger it would pose to the pressure vessel. But there are special types of ammunition available.
- In the early days, there will not be much need for law enforcement or even self defense, but as the settlements grow things might change somewhat. But this is not the wild west we're talking about, this will be a very tightly sealed environment, and there are no animals to hunt or defend ourselves from. So I must ask the question "Will civilian held guns be necessary at all?".
- In answer to that I have to look at countries where guns are illegal and theoretically unobtainable. In a number of those countries, only the criminals (and a few police) have guns. Interestingly, gun crime is on the rise in those countries.
-- Mdelaney 03:27, 04 April 2007 (BST)
Lunar citizens versus Flags of Convenience
So which will it be, Lunar citizens or Flags of Convenience? We do not need both. If the Moon is a nation-state, then it will have jurisdiction, and flags of convenience will not apply. On the other hand, if the Moon is an international entity governed jointly by, say the United Nations, then there will be no such thing as a lunar citizens, all humans on the Moon will be citizens of one or more terrestrial countries, and the Moon will be covered with flags of convenience. So which is it? If the Moon is not a nation state, then the bill of rights means nothing, all persons will be governed by the laws of their home country and the United Nations treaties of 1967 and 1979 etc. Charles F. Radley 19:47, 3 April 2007 (PDT)
