User talk:Strangelv

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Be happy to help. I'm new to editing though, and my html is rusty. Jarogers2001 03:05, 1 January 2007 (PST)

My Trigonometry is non-existant at this point. I dont start college level trig until January 16th. Jarogers2001 21:31, 1 January 2007 (PST)

Charles mentioned a page structure with GFDL for wikipedia material? Is that for imported articles or all articles that site wikipedia in their content? Jarogers2001 19:45, 7 January 2007 (PST)

GFDL is the licence that Wikipedia uses, which is why I created the GFDL namespace after lunarpedia list voted in favor of it as one of three licences for Lunarpedia to use. GFDL is viral. Referencing it doesn't infect the source article, but using it for a base or including chunks beyond public-domainable quotations will turn non-GFDL content into GFDL content or cause a GFDL violation.

One ambiguity is if GFDL has the '150 contributor' problem where all 150 contributors to a given article must be credited if you're using it. My take on it is that it does (and I'm not the only one, although Wikimedia doesn't seem to be enforcing it that way and may occasionally be in violation of their own licence), thus the import tutorial (where theoretically at least all 150 contributors are listed in the article history and thus credited)... As a matter of fact, this IS one of the reasons I argued for public domain instead -- no copyright means no entanglements, although it seriously constrains our available selection of stock content to swipe and put into the main namespace. -- Strangelv 21:14, 7 January 2007 (PST)

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would it be possible on the bottom of the elements template to put the above/below element symbols above and below the symbol for the current element? -- Jarogers2001 00:30, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Please feel free to make changes and especially additions you find appropriate. --Strangelv 00:33, 21 January 2007 (PST)

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captcha installation

Hi James, can you please help with this? --Rfc 09:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, there are new bot attacks in both Lunarpedia and Marspedia, and I wonder whether it is less work to install the new captcha trigger or to revert the bot's edits over and over. As fas as I understand you are the only person keeping the passwords for php access. It should take only a few minutes to insert the green parts:

1. Logon to the machine where the wikimedia software is running.
2. Find the files ConfirmEdit.php, ConfirmEdit.i18n.php, ConfirmEdit_body.php.
3. Be sure the contents of the files match.
4. Create a backup copy of the files.
5. Insert the green parts using vi or prepare the files on your PC and ftp them.
6. Check the effect. If you try to change the first letter in a page a captcha should pop up on clicking the "save page" button.

That should be all. You can count on my assistance, if needed. Cheers! -- Rfc 10:23, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't have them. They're all in a text file on a hard drive that may be complete toast that can only run on a specific notebook of mine that may also be complete toast. Dana Carson and Mike Delaney both have these passwords last I checked, however. -- Strangelv 10:41, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I have left a message on their talk pages. You seem to have some doubt regarding the usefullness or the integrity of this captcha thing. If you are suspicious about me because I am not telling my real name I can understand this. Alteration of the software may put the whole system at risk, and I would not let an anonymous user do such a think, nor would I insert any code as long as I have the slightest doubt on its integrity. Reverting on the other hand is definitely safer, and is actually not so much work. Okay, I'm leaving the decision to you and will no longer nudge. Have a good weekend! -- Rfc 13:04, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm not suspicious of you at all becouse of your anonymity. I'm very pro-anonymous here, thus my insistence on allowing minimal inconveniences for accountless anonymous contributions. The problem is that I don't have a lot of experience under the hood, and have'nt even had the passwords for when I've felt adventurous enough to try. As you can tell from my fumble yesterday, I can mess up when I'm too tired -- sorry about that. O_O Hopefully you haven't had residual effects from that, as Dr O'Neill had when he accidentally banned himself a couple of months ago (even after I unbanned him, he couldn't contribute without logging in).

Good news: Mike found the login information and got it to me and Dana. Trying your suggestion is in the queue, but there's a lot of stuff to deal with first -- you might easily guess what some of these other things are -- many are crises that have been getting worse and worse for months. 8\ Mike is starting with upgrading the wikis to a newer version of MediaWiki. -- Strangelv 04:54, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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Ok, all wikis updated from 1.10.1 to 1.11.0, all wikis now have captchas, all captcha extensions use the mod suggested by Rfc. Strangelv will not be happy with me, I have set the captchas as follows:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit']          = true;  // Would check on every edit
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create']        = true;  // Check on page creation.
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl']        = true;  // Check on edits that add URLs
$wgCaptchaTriggers['gibberish']     = true;  // Check gibberish
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true;  // Special:Userlogin&type=signup
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin']      = true;  // Special:Userlogin after failure

Remember, we still allow anonymous editing, as long as anon is willing to enter a few letters in a field.
I haven't decided whether to go with a manual upgrade to 1.11.1 as this would not show up in the Dreamhost control panel. But I am not repeat not the only one capable of performing that update.

Next: The Cleanup!

-- Mdelaney 23:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

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Oh, this is hard! No bot will be able to overcom this barrier. Unfortunately, the trigger "$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit'] = true;" pops up the captcha on every edit, making the create, addurl and giggerish trigger effectless. So, we can not test the gibberish trigger. How about setting the triggers as follows:

$wgCaptchaTriggers['edit']          = false;  // Would check on every edit
$wgCaptchaTriggers['create']        = false;  // Check on page creation.
$wgCaptchaTriggers['addurl']        = true;  // Check on edits that add URLs
$wgCaptchaTriggers['gibberish']     = true;  // Check gibberish
$wgCaptchaTriggers['createaccount'] = true;  // Special:Userlogin&type=signup
$wgCaptchaTriggers['badlogin']      = true;  // Special:Userlogin after failure

This is exactly as it was before plus the gibberish trigger. Let's start with one of the wikis for testing. The gibberish trigger has not been tested, yet.

-- Rfc 10:28, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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I'm going to leave it as is for a couple of days so the spambot masters get the message that they can no longer spam us. We are thinking of adding an extra user level however, this would be similar to flagging a user as unmoderated in a forum. That way anyone with a decent track record can bypass the captchas while anonymous users and new users would still be required to enter captcha codes. In the interim, we still have a lot of cleaning up to do. In fact we're going to restore two of the wikis to their state as of September 25th 2007 since those wikis have had no legitimate input since before that date and restoring to that point eliminates all the bogus user accounts.

Basically we never lost control of Lunarpedia and Marspedia, and Exoplatz wasn't too hard to clean up. But Exodictionary and Scientifiction got hit really hard, the SQL backup for the Scientifiction databse swelled to almost 408 MB. (Yes, that's four hundred and eight mega bytes)

We'll probably set the first two triggers to 'false' before the weekend.

-- Mdelaney 13:01, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

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Front Page

Looking Good! I posted a bulletin about the change over at http://groups.myspace.com/lunarbase -- Jarogers2001 18:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Sintered regolith is ready for a featured spot. Jarogers2001 06:13, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Category for deletion on Marspedia: Category:MarsDrive

Hi James, I have detected a counterproductive category on Marspedia, combined with a violation of GNU Free Document License. And I have nominated this category on the Deletion page. Can you please have a look and, if you agree, delete the category? Thanks... -- Rfc 20:28, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Abuse of Lunarpedia

• "User:349 buy synthroid" is a scam that must be removed immediately.--Farred 19:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for flagging my attention. This attacker has also hit other space wikis as well as lpedia.org; let me check the other space wikis not hit as of last time I checked... -- Strangelv 19:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

• Same song, verses 2 & 3: "User:107 buy starlix" and "User:543 buy stress gum"--Farred 11:27, 29 June 2009 (UTC)