Talk:List of Launch Systems and Vendors
ok, thanks for setting this up J. Charles F. Radley 15:42, 11 January 2007 (PST)
Any time :D -- Jarogers2001 15:44, 11 January 2007 (PST)
Real and paper
Cool. This might be a bit more useful if it were separated into historical, existing, and proposed-- it's not really fair to compare something that is launching today with something existing only on paper. Geoffrey.landis 13:32, 12 January 2007 (PST)
The "status" field is meant to denote that difference. The way I have the table set up, it is possible to color code the first cell in each row if necessary. However, there is a whole plethora of things that can go into that field. cancelled, discontinued, in use, suspended, proposed, under development, etc etc. Should we make a standard key to avoid confusion about status? My only concern with coloring is that it is buggy and tends to look bad. Jarogers2001 14:15, 12 January 2007 (PST)
I just don't think proposed vehicles shouldn't be in the same category as existing ones. I just put in a draft version where the boosters are separated; take a look. Yep, separating cancelled,discontinued, etc, also should be done. Another categorization might be suborbital vehicles. Geoffrey.landis 14:21, 12 January 2007 (PST)
Hi Geoff,
Thanks for your many contributions (both here and elsewhere!). Yes, I would like us to agree on some key-phrase statuses (stati?), rather than give a complete history of each vehicle. The key-phrases I suggest to standardize on are:
- Currently in service - Future Development - Orbital Launch attempted - Suborbital Launch Attempted - Retired
So by those criteria, Energia would be Retired
What do y'all think?
Charles F. Radley 14:22, 12 January 2007 (PST)
Hi, Charles,
Yes, those are good distinctions. I do think, though, that the distinction between "doesn't exist yet" and "has been launched" is a very fundamental one. I agree, Energia is retired (although only recently Energia was still trying to sell it!) I did want to list it because several Lunar and future space mission proposals have suggested using it as a low-cost HLV. Ultimately, I think suborbital vehicles should be a separate entry in the Lunapedia; they are different in basic nature from orbital launchers (just as orbital boosters are different from in-space vehicles) Geoffrey.landis 14:34, 12 January 2007 (PST)
Formatting
I took the liberty of changing the headers and commenting out a few things (and changed insert language in used rows to say 'vendor needed.'
Technically, the =level one= header is supposed to be used only for article titles, but I went ahead and left the level two headers as level two, requiring manual use of level one.
Also: how do we want the tables to be structured? As the presently are the centered topics don't look very good to me. We could however format them in a way where it might be appropriate (although uncentered may still look better).
Booster | Operational Status | Vendor |
---|---|---|
Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) | Currently in service | Indian Space Research Organization http://www.isro.gov.in |
Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) GSLV III | Currently in service | Indian Space Research Organization http://www.isro.gov.in |
Booster | Operational Status | Vendor |
---|---|---|
Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle (PSLV) | Currently in service | Indian Space Research Organization http://www.isro.gov.in |
Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) GSLV III | Currently in service | Indian Space Research Organization http://www.isro.gov.in |
Please feel free to spend more tinkering than I have to spare today (the sandbox is a good place for this). An incomplete guide can be found here. More useful information may be buried here somewhere. A good CSS cheatsheet could also come in handy. I'd spend more time here, but I'm kind of indisposed for the time being. -- Strangelv 15:58, 12 January 2007 (PST)
Aha! Thanks! Sadly, I know nothing of CSS. Only HTML. On color: I kind of like the black background. On seperating suborbital, orbital, and vehicles: Should we create new lists? It would be easier for me to add a fourth column to designate the category.. Here are some ideas
- Suborbital launcher
- Orbital Launcher
- Suborbital Spacecraft
- Orbital Spacecraft
On Proposed/Existing: I think we should leave proposals in as Future Development until the proposals are cancelled or no longer feasable. I think we should condense as many lists as possible while creating additional Categories the articles can be tagged with. Sort of a master index with links to the seperate categorical indexes which would narrow a reader's search. -- Jarogers2001 18:16, 12 January 2007 (PST)
I would like to rename the category "Existing and Historical Launchers" to simply "Existing Launchers". We already have a page for Historical launchers at this page, which already represents quite a lot of work:
List of Discontinued and Cancelled Boosters
Charles F. Radley 20:53, 12 January 2007 (PST)
Looks much better!
Looks much better- the page is really beginning to shape up. 08:17, 16 January 2007 (PST)