https://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Luna-Mars_Trade&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Luna-Mars Trade - Revision history2024-03-28T19:47:29ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.34.2https://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Luna-Mars_Trade&diff=114631&oldid=prevFarred: dummy edit to remove vandalism2016-08-04T18:17:57Z<p>dummy edit to remove vandalism</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What is the speed of sound on Mars? What would the landing speed for the shuttle be? WHat kind of forces would the landing gear endure? What would the heat sheild of such a craft be made of? [[User:T.Neo|T.Neo]] 16:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>What is the speed of sound on Mars? What would the landing speed for the shuttle be? WHat kind of forces would the landing gear endure? What would the heat sheild of such a craft be made of? [[User:T.Neo|T.Neo]] 16:07, 5 November 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*I will return to the speed of sound on Mars later. For now I was thinking of a titanium steel Aerodynamic shell with heat soak on reentry and an insulated internal compartment for electronics with evaporative cooling using dry ice. Landing gear would be skids with an expendable layer.--[[User:Farred|Farred]] 16:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*I will return to the speed of sound on Mars later. For now I was thinking of a titanium steel Aerodynamic shell with heat soak on reentry and an insulated internal compartment for electronics with evaporative cooling using dry ice. Landing gear would be skids with an expendable layer.--[[User:Farred|Farred]] 16:29, 5 November 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Titanium-steel thermal soak confuses me. Thermal soak is when an insulating substance keeps heat away from the airframe. Titanium-steel seems more like a radiative heatshield, where excess heat is radiated away, like the shuttle RCC. However, the problem with the shuttle RCC (And, presumably Titanium-steel) is that they are as good at conducting heat as they are radiating it. This means that the Titanium-steel will conduct heat to the rest of the ship. Not only does the computer need to be cooled, but systems to deploy the landing gear, the RCS, the MEs, etc. Add to that, whatever payload you are carrying might not like being heated up too much. Since the methane (and LOX) tanks take up a lot of space, it might be better to make the upper hull out of thinner material, possibly aluminium.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Titanium-steel thermal soak confuses me. Thermal soak is when an insulating substance keeps heat away from the airframe. Titanium-steel seems more like a radiative heatshield, where excess heat is radiated away, like the shuttle RCC. However, the problem with the shuttle RCC (And, presumably Titanium-steel) is that they are as good at conducting heat as they are radiating it. This means that the Titanium-steel will conduct heat to the rest of the ship. Not only does the computer need to be cooled, but systems to deploy the landing gear, the RCS, the MEs, etc. Add to that, whatever payload you are carrying might not like being heated up too much. Since the methane (and LOX) tanks take up a lot of space, it might be better to make the upper hull out of thinner material, possibly aluminium.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*The Space Shuttle Main Engines are notorious for requiring much maintenance between flights, but sadly the over all system is even worse. I would say that if the MTLMOS can not be turned around is less than a week, it should probably not be built. I have faith that handily operable to orbit systems will one day be realized, but that faith does not allow me to answer detailed questions about how they will work. --'''FARTHERRED'''11:10 Central Standard Time 6 November 2008</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*The Space Shuttle Main Engines are notorious for requiring much maintenance between flights, but sadly the over all system is even worse. I would say that if the MTLMOS can not be turned around is less than a week, it should probably not be built. I have faith that handily operable to orbit systems will one day be realized, but that faith does not allow me to answer detailed questions about how they will work. --'''FARTHERRED'''11:10 Central Standard Time 6 November 2008</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*The supersonic landing Mars to low Mars orbit shuttle (MTLMOS) concept is just that, a concept. Taking cargo down to Mars would increase the mass of the shuttle and therefore the thermal threat, but I can not produce the numbers that would say that this is possible or that it is not. Just working out the shape of the supersonic airframe, its center of gravity, and control parameters would be quite a task. If someone does that, they might say, “Yeah, we can take a little cargo on the downward leg.” They might say, “We tried but we just can not make it work. It always goes wild on the runway before touchdown and tumbles itself to death.” </div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #222; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>*The supersonic landing Mars to low Mars orbit shuttle (MTLMOS) concept is just that, a concept. Taking cargo down to Mars would increase the mass of the shuttle and therefore the thermal threat, but I can not produce the numbers that would say that this is possible or that it is not. Just working out the shape of the supersonic airframe, its center of gravity, and control parameters would be quite a task. If someone does that, they might say, “Yeah, we can take a little cargo on the downward leg.” They might say, “We tried but we just can not make it work. It always goes wild on the runway before touchdown and tumbles itself to death.” </div></td></tr>
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</table>Farredhttps://lunarpedia.org/index.php?title=Talk:Luna-Mars_Trade&diff=14878&oldid=prevLaertes: It makes sense to me that this article be shared between Marspedia and Lunarpedia rather than having two separate articles. I have mirrored it onto Marspedia, and plan on adding more content soon...2009-01-07T01:05:58Z<p>It makes sense to me that this article be shared between Marspedia and Lunarpedia rather than having two separate articles. I have mirrored it onto Marspedia, and plan on adding more content soon...</p>
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