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Let's start a discussion on the protohab here. Navigaiter 02:30, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

The tunnel habitat picture is very impressive as visual communication. In an actual Lunar Settlement the air reconditioning and waste recycling will probably occupy considerably more space than the sleeping, eating, and work spaces, just as the out of doors spaces on Earth are larger than the indoors spaces. Much infrastructure will be needed to support each person if colonists are not just living on imported consumables. Although people are likely to be able to live in the air reconditioning space and recycling space and do some work their, they are likely to spend most of their time elsewhere. That elsewhere will be indoor spaces because the radiation environment outdoors on Luna is unhealthy and not suitable for routine colonist presence in a Space suit. The main part of an economically self supporting lunar settlement will be industry and the out of doors portion of that industry will be robotic, reomotely controlled, and/or automatic machinery. - Farred 06:45, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

FIRST STAGE HABITAT

--Navigaiter 02:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)Here is my drawing [I did for the OpenLuna Wiki] for a ProtoHab supporting up to five crew on Luna. Navigaiter Comments??? Lemme see if there's some life here. [[Image:LunaLodge1 OpenLuna.gif|thumb|500px]]

Above comments are moved here from the article. - Farred 06:56, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

How is a THIRD STAGE habitat achieved?

This could be called a boring habitat concept, but really I am quite interested. The graphics work is impressive. As an improvement I would suggest doors at both ends of the living space module which lead to interconnecting modules. The interconnector modules should have little more than four doors each or five doors if there is one in the ceiling or floor. Each module should be capable of air tight closure. There should be a whole network of modules for the settlement to be able to house all of the infrastructure needed to support people. The article referred to habitats as "FIRST STAGE", which is pictured, and THIRD STAGE described in text. I suppose there is an implication that the first stage settlers would build the colony until it reached second and third stage. We should consider the history of space enterprise so far. All economic activity in space has been done by robotic or automatic equipment, because people working in space are just too expensive at $5,000 per pound for food or water lifted to low Earth orbit or $80,000 per pound to land it on Luna. Only when there is sufficient infrastructure to recycle consumables can people do economic work in space. That infrastructure should be built by robots, so there will never be the primitive five person habitat pictured. Features of the design could be included in some of the modules built for an eventual human colony. - Farred 02:32, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

"First stage hab"

is not a mission planning and philosophy topic it is a primitive hab topic. You ruin the topic when you have nothing to contribute except to say its not gonna be done. Thanks, jerk. Go find the right topic and dont come back til u get smartz.

Meantime, lets talk about what exists here, a preliminary drawing of the very first Lunar settlement, which will have to be minimalist due to weight transportation issues. Allen the Navigaiter--184.32.93.75 01:21, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

It is good to have fellow contributors to Lunarpedia. We have both made contributions to the List of Propulsion Systems. You contributed to PDE, Pulse Detonation Engine and I contributed to Lunar Rocket-sled to Orbit.

I do not think it is outside the topic of a primitive hab to write that such a habitat should not be built and does not further the cause of lunar settlement. In your most recent post you describe the graphics work as "a preliminary drawing of the very first Lunar settlement". It seems to me that the very first lunar settlement should not be made until after there has already been an established robotic industrial colony on Luna remotely controlled from Earth. So, the reason you cite that the base "will have to be minimalist" would not apply. It would be constructed to a considerable extent from local materials. Your graphics work is quite valuable as the idealization of generally held concepts of many moon colony enthusiasts, but I do not agree that it is even a preliminary drawing of what a first lunar settlement should be. Sending astronauts to live in a primitive habitation and designing people into the base construction process is like designing people into the space shuttle transportation system. Just as sending cargo and experiments into orbit is best done by robotic systems, building the "first Lunar settlement" is best done by robotic systems. People can die needlessly doing large engineering projects in uneconomic ways and I think that that is an unnecessarily high price for a lunar colony. We should have learned from the deaths shuttle astronauts, and the knowledge is precious at the price.

I thank you for your work and your comments. You are welcome to make further contributions to discussion. You have your opinions and I have mine. The discussion could be fruitful. You can get some idea of my thinking on a desirable first lunar settlement at The bad financial reputation of a lunar colony article and the various articles that it links to.

I have removed initial spaces from the "First stage hab" paragraphs so that automatic wiki formatting can take effect. Let us enjoy Lunarpedia. - Farred 18:40, 21 August 2012 (UTC)